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    So, now that they have protested the confederate statues and the national anthem, apparently the next fad is to protest Christopher Columbus.

    various groups have been vandalizing statues of Columbus and protesting Columbus day. Yet these same liberals who are denouncing the "conquering of America" by this guy who never even set foot on the mainland are enjoying the comforts of the western civilization his discovery brought to this continent. I don't see any of them offering to give up their stake in this civilization back to the Indians and offer to move back to Europe.

    here is a good site to hopefully give a more balance view of Columbus: http://www.truthaboutcolumbus.com/

    He wasn't a perfect man by any means. He was a man of his times. We celebrate the explorer and the discovery of the New World upon which this and many other great nations exist today.


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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So, now that they have protested the confederate statues and the national anthem, apparently the next fad is to protest Christopher Columbus.

    various groups have been vandalizing statues of Columbus and protesting Columbus day. Yet these same liberals who are denouncing the "conquering of America" by this guy who never even set foot on the mainland are enjoying the comforts of the western civilization his discovery brought to this continent. I don't see any of them offering to give up their stake in this civilization back to the Indians and offer to move back to Europe.

    here is a good site to hopefully give a more balance view of Columbus: http://www.truthaboutcolumbus.com/

    He wasn't a perfect man by any means. He was a man of his times. We celebrate the explorer and the discovery of the New World upon which this and many other great nations exist today.
    To be fair, liberals have been agitating over this since at least 1992, when there was all sorts of angst over commemorating the 500th anniversary of his initial trip.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      He wasn't a perfect man by any means.
      Nobody is. Even icons like Martin Luther King, Jr., Ghandi, and Mother Theresa had plenty to be ashamed of, but that's not why they're celebrated.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • #4
        The guy actually cut noses and ears off of natives, including for personal slights, and actually was even arrested when he returned to Europe before the king got around to pardoning him. That deserves to be condemned, not dismissed as "liberal agitation".

        (And, no, we probably shouldn't be celebrating the serial adulterer Martin Luther King Jr. either.)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          The guy actually cut noses and ears off of natives, including for personal slights, and actually was even arrested when he returned to Europe before the king got around to pardoning him. That deserves to be condemned, not dismissed as "liberal agitation".

          (And, no, we probably shouldn't be celebrating the serial adulterer Martin Luther King Jr. either.)
          In the case of Columbus, or MLKJR, or George Washington, we celebrate their accomplishments, not the person. MLKJR started the civil rights movement, Columbus discovered America (or close enough) and George Washington was the first President and a great General. Each of them has bad qualities that we don't celebrate. The original Martin Luther was an anti-semite racist.

          Should we just forget all of history or celebrate no one?

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          • #6
            Hmmm... the only human worth celebrating is Jesus of Nazareth! Can't say anything bad about Him!
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              Hmmm... the only human worth celebrating is Jesus of Nazareth! Can't say anything bad about Him!
              Well, you can, but you'll answer for it.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Well, you can, but you'll answer for it.
                Ummm... weren't there some false witnesses at His trail that couldn't even keep their story straight? They might as well have just accused Him of being too perfect and unrelatable and too high of a standard or something. He makes every other hero in real life or fiction look bad by comparison. You can't truthfully say anything bad about Him. And why would you want to say a bad false thing about Him? That would be mean! And stupid.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  In the case of Columbus, or MLKJR, or George Washington, we celebrate their accomplishments, not the person. MLKJR started the civil rights movement, Columbus discovered America (or close enough) and George Washington was the first President and a great General. Each of them has bad qualities that we don't celebrate. The original Martin Luther was an anti-semite racist.

                  Should we just forget all of history or celebrate no one?
                  In fairness to Martin Luther, the anti-Semitism didn't really come out until later in his life, when he may have been going senile. He was much more reasonable in regards to Jews in his earlier writings. Though obviously, the degree to which one believes he should be celebrated for his general actions probably depends heavily on their denomination.

                  As for Columbus, what seems distinct between him and the others you cite is that Columbus's accomplish was completely by accident and was not what he set out to do. Contrary to what you'll sometimes hear, he wasn't a guy who was correct about the world being round while everyone else thought it was flat; everyone educated was completely aware the world was round (it's less clear what the common person thought, but the people involved in this were educated people). What he was claiming was that everyone was wrong about the size of the world, and it was way smaller than people thought, and thus a voyage to eastern Asia would be possible. He was completely wrong and even for his time his logic was shaky. Though I suppose he was a bit impressive in that he actually got someone to agree to fund such a foolhardy venture.

                  Mind you, I'm not going to complain about getting a day off work. Still, however important in history his actions might have been, the fact remains that he was basically just a geographical dunce who got astoundingly lucky that there happened to be an unknown continent that was close enough for him to reach. One can't even really say he deserves credit for being the first European to find the thing, because the Vikings beat him to the punch on that one.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                    In fairness to Martin Luther, the anti-Semitism didn't really come out until later in his life, when he may have been going senile.
                    I think he was talking about Martin Luther King Junior.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      I think he was talking about Martin Luther King Junior.
                      He said "the original Martin Luther."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        In the case of Columbus, or MLKJR, or George Washington, we celebrate their accomplishments, not the person. MLKJR started the civil rights movement, Columbus discovered America (or close enough) and George Washington was the first President and a great General. Each of them has bad qualities that we don't celebrate. The original Martin Luther was an anti-semite racist.

                        Should we just forget all of history or celebrate no one?
                        So you think anyone who made great accomplishments should be celebrated with holidays and statues regardless of their atrocities? There's no cut-off point?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                          So you think anyone who made great accomplishments should be celebrated with holidays and statues regardless of their atrocities? There's no cut-off point?
                          Columbus's atrocities are minor compared to the millions of aborted children for which every liberal is responsible.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            In the case of Columbus, or MLKJR, or George Washington, we celebrate their accomplishments, not the person. MLKJR started the civil rights movement, Columbus discovered America (or close enough) and George Washington was the first President and a great General. Each of them has bad qualities that we don't celebrate. The original Martin Luther was an anti-semite racist.

                            Should we just forget all of history or celebrate no one?
                            George Washington lost his first House of Burgesses election and then bribed his way to winning his second with liquor.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              In the case of Columbus, or MLKJR, or George Washington, we celebrate their accomplishments, not the person. MLKJR started the civil rights movement, Columbus discovered America (or close enough) and George Washington was the first President and a great General. Each of them has bad qualities that we don't celebrate. The original Martin Luther was an anti-semite racist.

                              Should we just forget all of history or celebrate no one?
                              We can remember history without actively celebrating holidays named after the people themselves. (Though with Columbus, nobody really actually celebrates Columbus Day outside of the Italian American community.)
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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