The next liberal outrage

[Adrift]

no actually it's in the news that they are defending Columbus Day and angry at the protests.

Italian-Americans fight movement to abolish Columbus Day
http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/italian...-columbus-day/

Italian-American leaders defend Christopher Columbus statue after de Blasio pushes monument commission
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3439897

Italian-Americans boycott Mayor de Blasio's reception at Gracie Mansion
http://abc7ny.com/politics/italian-a...ption/2494775/

Yeah, I know Italian Americans are protesting, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, from the perspective of your typical liberal, it could be that Italians are no longer considered a minority that requires cultural sensitivity. They're considered part of mainstream white America (unless you live in a strong Italian neighborhood).

[Adrift]

My best friend married an Italian gal, and I was his best man at the wedding, so I got immersed in Italian Culture in Baltimore for a whole week for the wedding ---- YOWZA!!!!!! Do THEY have an IDENTITY!!!!!

Oh yeah, definitely. We have some Italian friends of the family, and they're definitely Italian.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, I know Italian Americans are protesting, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, from the perspective of your typical liberal, it could be that Italians are no longer considered a minority that requires cultural sensitivity. They're considered part of mainstream white America (unless you live in a strong Italian neighborhood).

Yeah, it's kinda like Italians are too "accepted", and it's not cool to be rooting for them as underdogs.

[Sparko]

Yeah, I know Italian Americans are protesting, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, from the perspective of your typical liberal, it could be that Italians are no longer considered a minority that requires cultural sensitivity. They're considered part of mainstream white America (unless you live in a strong Italian neighborhood).

ah. sorry. I didn't get what you were saying. Could be. but the result is the same. They are alienating a large portion of their own political group in mostly liberal places like New York. That could come back to bite them in the coming elections. Especially when the NY Mayor is on the side of tearing down the statue.

[Cow Poke]

Oh yeah, definitely. We have some Italian friends of the family, and they're definitely Italian.

But this is what I find fascinating -- Italians, like the Irish, WANTED to be American citizens -- not some hyphenated name. They did a super job of maintaining their culture and identity while "being Americans", and proud to be so.

[Sparko]

But this is what I find fascinating -- Italians, like the Irish, WANTED to be American citizens -- not some hyphenated name. They did a super job of maintaining their culture and identity while "being Americans", and proud to be so.

Pretty much that is the way it has always been for most immigrants from Europe. They come here and assimilate as Americans while keeping their cultural identity, but they are Americans first and proud of it. But now you have people coming over here and then spitting on America, so to speak, and starting trouble. And the liberal Americans are there holding their hands and encouraging them. This seems to have gotten to a head under Obama who helped to divide the country.

Liberalism is a cancer. and the tumor is growing.

[Cow Poke]

Pretty much that is the way it has always been for most immigrants from Europe. They come here and assimilate as Americans while keeping their cultural identity, but they are Americans first and proud of it. But now you have people coming over here and then spitting on America, so to speak, and starting trouble. And the liberal Americans are there holding their hands and encouraging them. This seems to have gotten to a head under Obama who helped to divide the country.

Liberalism is a cancer. and the tumor is growing.

And, for reasons I don't understand, the Liberals are full bore out to welcome Islam - which is against so much of their own agenda - even though Islam is probably the most resistant to assimilation into American society. It's like the liberals hate America so much that they're willing to sell their soul to Islam -- not realizing that the sacred tenants of liberalism, like the gay agenda and 'women's rights' will be primary targets for eradication.

It's mind boggling.

[Sparko]

And, for reasons I don't understand, the Liberals are full bore out to welcome Islam - which is against so much of their own agenda - even though Islam is probably the most resistant to assimilation into American society. It's like the liberals hate America so much that they're willing to sell their soul to Islam -- not realizing that the sacred tenants of liberalism, like the gay agenda and 'women's rights' will be primary targets for eradication.

It's mind boggling.

Muslims are much more "conservative" and "bigoted" than Christians are. yeah it makes no sense.

[Adrift]

And, for reasons I don't understand, the Liberals are full bore out to welcome Islam - which is against so much of their own agenda - even though Islam is probably the most resistant to assimilation into American society. It's like the liberals hate America so much that they're willing to sell their soul to Islam -- not realizing that the sacred tenants of liberalism, like the gay agenda and 'women's rights' will be primary targets for eradication.

It's mind boggling.

That's not how they think though. A lot of people under the liberal umbrella sincerely desire the best for all people. While there may be some liberal politician someplace greedily rubbing his hands together and twisting his mustache, most people I know who consider themselves liberal sincerely believe that they need to be the voice for those they deem are unfairly underrepresented, and repressed. They don't see most Muslims as extremists, or religiously intolerant, they sincerely believe that those types of Muslims who desire to come to the West are the type who would like to assimilate, and/or who will mix their culture into the melting pot so that we can all get something out of it. Most people under the liberal banner that I know truly and sincerely have their hearts in the right places. The problem is that they want the love, mercy and forgiveness of Jesus, but without the whole Jesus part. They want the values that Christianity has spread throughout the West without the Christ. They are heavily moved by their heart, but don't stop to lead their heart with their brain. The big issues with a lot of conservatives, though, is that they can often go too far the other way. Many conservatives overrule their heart altogether, in an attempt to save "me" and "mine".

[Mountain Man]

And, for reasons I don't understand, the Liberals are full bore out to welcome Islam - which is against so much of their own agenda - even though Islam is probably the most resistant to assimilation into American society. It's like the liberals hate America so much that they're willing to sell their soul to Islam -- not realizing that the sacred tenants of liberalism, like the gay agenda and 'women's rights' will be primary targets for eradication.

It's mind boggling.

A producer of gay porn recently called liberals on their hypocrisy.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...ient-liberals/

[Darth Executor]

That's not how they think though. A lot of people under the liberal umbrella sincerely desire the best for all people. While there may be some liberal politician someplace greedily rubbing his hands together and twisting his mustache, most people I know who consider themselves liberal sincerely believe that they need to be the voice for those they deem are unfairly underrepresented, and repressed. They don't see most Muslims as extremists, or religiously intolerant, they sincerely believe that those types of Muslims who desire to come to the West are the type who would like to assimilate, and/or who will mix their culture into the melting pot so that we can all get something out of it. Most people under the liberal banner that I know truly and sincerely have their hearts in the right places. The problem is that they want the love, mercy and forgiveness of Jesus, but without the whole Jesus part. They want the values that Christianity has spread throughout the West without the Christ. They are heavily moved by their heart, but don't stop to lead their heart with their brain. The big issues with a lot of conservatives, though, is that they can often go too far the other way. Many conservatives overrule their heart altogether, in an attempt to save "me" and "mine".

lol you think they're driven by love because they're driven by the same thing that drives you so you are completely unable to recognize it

[Mountain Man]

That's not how they think though. A lot of people under the liberal umbrella sincerely desire the best for all people. While there may be some liberal politician someplace greedily rubbing his hands together and twisting his mustache, most people I know who consider themselves liberal sincerely believe that they need to be the voice for those they deem are unfairly underrepresented, and repressed. They don't see most Muslims as extremists, or religiously intolerant, they sincerely believe that those types of Muslims who desire to come to the West are the type who would like to assimilate, and/or who will mix their culture into the melting pot so that we can all get something out of it. Most people under the liberal banner that I know truly and sincerely have their hearts in the right places. The problem is that they want the love, mercy and forgiveness of Jesus, but without the whole Jesus part. They want the values that Christianity has spread throughout the West without the Christ. They are heavily moved by their heart, but don't stop to lead their heart with their brain. The big issues with a lot of conservatives, though, is that they can often go too far the other way. Many conservatives overrule their heart altogether, in an attempt to save "me" and "mine".

Bull. Liberals aren't driven by love, they're driven by the desire for control.

[Sparko]

Bull. Liberals aren't driven by love, they're driven by the desire for control.

The leaders maybe. But the millenials and followers think they are making the world a better place with their values. They just don't recognize the hypocrisy of them preaching love and tolerance but only if you agree with them.

[Adrift]

Bull. Liberals aren't driven by love, they're driven by the desire for control.

I can only speak from my own experience. I don't know about you, but most of my friends and acquaintances are liberal, or would be labeled liberal by most of the people here. I've had some very deep relationships with these people. Even some truly intimate ones. I've spent many many long hours talking with them, debating them, and fellowshipping with them. While, again, there may be some mustache twirling evil liberal who is conniving with his other liberal pals to control the world, in my experience, the average liberal citizen is the type I explained above. They're not looking for control, they sincerely and honestly believe their own rhetoric. I know that may be hard to believe for some people, but it's the God's honest truth.

[Jedidiah]

I can only speak from my own experience. I don't know about you, but most of my friends and acquaintances are liberal, or would be labeled liberal by most of the people here. I've had some very deep relationships with these people. Even some truly intimate ones. I've spent many many long hours talking with them, debating them, and fellowshipping with them. While, again, there may be some mustache twirling evil liberal who is conniving with his other liberal pals to control the world, in my experience, the average liberal citizen is the type I explained above. They're not looking for control, they sincerely and honestly believe their own rhetoric. I know that may be hard to believe for some people, but it's the God's honest truth.

But like all politicians, liberal politicians are not the same as the "man in the street" liberals. I think most of them are, as MM said, driven by the desire to control.