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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAs far as any methodology reliability refers to how consistently and reliably the methods may be applied and tested.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThis is the only argument that can be made against the historical claim. But then there is undisputable evidence the observable universe seems to have a beginning. And there as yet not being any evidence to the contrary.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSeems is trapy word.In reality there is no objective evidence that our physical existence whether you are considering our universe only or the greater cosmos is definitively temporal or eternal, or actually finite or infinite. There are currently recent cyclic models proposed for our universe that are possible explanations for our universe.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, no objective evidence to demonstrate metaphysical claims and give consistent testable results.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat does it matter if what you do not believe happens to be true over against what you actually believe happens not to be true?
The answer to that is simply that if you desire to know what things are true, then it most certainly matters to you whether your beliefs are actually right, or wrong.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThat's a very convoluted way of asking "What does it matter if what you believe is true or false?"
The answer to that is simply that if you desire to know what things are true, then it most certainly matters to you whether your beliefs are actually right, or wrong.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat undeniable evidence do you have for an eternal universe?
Can you show a known physical fact that cannot be tested using a metaphysical test?
Can you define what a metaphysical test is?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat undeniable evidence do you have for an eternal universe?Can you show a known physical fact that cannot be tested using a metaphysical test?
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That a thing is true or not true has or does not have consequences. Comparing two contradictory claims - only one of the two can be true. Both can conceivably be false. Now what can be physically tested can be tested. Knowing the physical results if one was to presume what was not true to be true and what was true was not true would there be any known consequence?
Weighing consequence would be how metaphysical ideas are to be tested. A threat of poison, of injury or death where an physical unknown is concerned are treated with caution. Metaphysics where real claims are being made should be weighed with caution, should they not? Which comes to the question, what does it matter?
Pascal's wager was set between two premises which Pascal had set forth as the choices. To add other components changes the choices.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThat a thing is true or not true has or does not have consequences. Comparing two contradictory claims - only one of the two can be true. Both can conceivably be false. Now what can be physically tested can be tested. Knowing the physical results if one was to presume what was not true to be true and what was true was not true would there be any known consequence?
Weighing consequence would be how metaphysical ideas are to be tested. A threat of poison, of injury or death where an physical unknown is concerned are treated with caution. Metaphysics where real claims are being made should be weighed with caution, should they not? Which comes to the question, what does it matter?
Pascal's wager was set between two premises which Pascal had set forth as the choices. To add other components changes the choices.
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post
Weighing consequence would be how metaphysical ideas are to be tested. A threat of poison, of injury or death where an physical unknown is concerned are treated with caution. Metaphysics where real claims are being made should be weighed with caution, should they not? Which comes to the question, what does it matter?
Pascal's wager was set between two premises which Pascal had set forth as the choices. To add other components changes the choices.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe wager as proposed by Pascal artificially eliminated all alternative choices but two, Christianity and atheism. and proposed the pragmatic dishonest fear based recommendation to chose Christianity, because of the possibility that of the consequences of making the wrong choice if Christianity is true.
Now the order of choices compared by two my change the finial choice. But without logically comparing different ideas and weighing one view against another, one really cannot deduce a better view. One, of course, cannot choose between views one does not know about.
Do you know a better way?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell it set between Pascal's choices as he presented them. Pascal's view of God and Christianity over against his portrayal of not believing in his view of God.
Now the order of choices compared by two my change the finial choice. But without logically comparing different ideas and weighing one view against another, one really cannot deduce a better view. One, of course, cannot choose between views one does not know about.
Do you know a better way?
Increase what you 'know about' and do not live in Plato's cave of ignorance.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo, this is not metaphysics, this is scientific methodology whereby hypotheses are proposed and tested. The two primary features of a scientific hypothesis are falsifiability and testability.
It also has never be shown to be false concern.
Do you have a rational definitive argument that God cannot be the uncaused existence in which all other things exist?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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