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Cogito ergo sum
Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
Pascal's wager is not the reality of possible choices.
First off, between two choices was never all possible choices.
Increase what you 'know about' and do not live in Plato's cave of ignorance.
Not making a choice because of ignorance of other possibilities is still making a choice. Choosing not to choose between known choices is still a choosing.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
Fallcy; hiding behind the proof of the negative concerning metaphysical claims.
Either a thing is true or not. Ignorance or deliberate denial will not make what is true not true.
Superstition and wishful thinking does not make anything true.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
First off, between two choices was never all possible choices.
The wager as Pascal proposed was only two choices.
Not making a choice because of ignorance of other possibilities is still making a choice. Choosing not to choose between known choices is still a choosing.
And generally cannot be logically ruled out as false.
You cannot weigh the "value or consequences" of an argument if you cannot show it to be a sound argument.
You are presuming any metaphysical argument cannot be sound.
Known fictitious belief should not be taken seriously.
Merely logically concluding that something should be believed as true does not in and of it self help unfringed unbelief and may not over come an individuals reasons for such unbelief. But one would think it would drive one to look farther into the matter.
No more than you have a definitive argument that God IS
To you. I know this for certain.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
And generally cannot be logically ruled out as false.
Logic cannot rule out things as false. As before this line of logic is a fallacy, an 'argument from ignorance.'
You are presuming any metaphysical argument cannot be sound.
This is not assumed, but metaphysical arguments require suppositions that cannot be empirically tested, and are often circular.
Known fictitious belief should not be taken seriously.
This remains a problem for Genesis.
Merely logically concluding that something should be believed as true does not in and of it self help unfringed unbelief and may not over come an individuals reasons for such unbelief. But one would think it would drive one to look farther into the matter.
Neither position can be logically proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
To you. I know this for certain.
. . . based on subjective presuppositions of belief.
Logic cannot rule out things as false. As before this line of logic is a fallacy, an 'argument from ignorance.'
Something logically invalid is false.
This is not assumed, but metaphysical arguments require suppositions that cannot be empirically tested, and are often circular.
Are you Tassman?
This remains a problem for Genesis.
Oh, you know the Genesis account is was written to be fictitious because?
Neither position can be logically proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
If all the starting premises are known to be true, why not?
. . . based on subjective presuppositions of belief.
No. By knowing this God. And you do not.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
The argument is invalid, and it may not be false just a bad argument.
Again . . . logic cannot rule out things as false. As before this line of logic is a fallacy, an 'argument from ignorance.'
Are you Tassman?
Last time I looked no.
Oh, you know the Genesis account is was written to be fictitious because?
By the evidence.
If all the starting premises are known to be true, why not?
The problem is whether the premises are known to be true. As far as apologetic arguments the premises are most often based on the belief in the conclusions.
No. By knowing this God. And you do not.
I believe in God, but I consider it unbelievably arrogant to say I know God.
And generally cannot be logically ruled out as false.
You are presuming any metaphysical argument cannot be sound.
An argument without a true premise cannot be a sound argument.
Known fictitious belief should not be taken seriously.
Merely logically concluding that something should be believed as true does not in and of it self help unfringed unbelief and may not over come an individuals reasons for such unbelief. But one would think it would drive one to look farther into the matter.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
Empirically verified facts can be tested and are more certain than faith-based beliefs unsupported by verified evidence.
All verifiable facts are a matter of faith in their verification.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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