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JimL, up to your "but," your argument seemed to make sense.
Originally posted by JimL View Post. . . , but being that time itself is descriptive of the finite, that I think would be a contradiction.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostJimL, up to your "but," your argument seemed to make sense.
Please, explain how you came to this conclusion.
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Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View PostHuh, wouldn't an infinite past indicate that Christ died and came back to life an infinite amount of times? After all, it is only necessary that the particles arrange themselves in such a way so as to restore brain function.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostFirst, human religious assumptions would not determine whether there is an infinite past or not. Second, sequences of events would not define nor limit the existence surrounding the events occur whether it is infinite or finite in the past or the future.-The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
Sir James Jeans
-This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
Sir Isaac Newton
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf we consider that time, like space, is eternal and infinite, then time, like eternity is not a thing in itself that moves, but is merely descriptive of incremental changes, the measure of motion, within an eternal and unchanging whole.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWait. What makes space eternal or infinite? There also has to be more than one thing in space to have meaningful distance. And time, along with two or more things in order for there to be motion or change.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe way I define eternal is that which has never not existed, and by infinite I mean that which is unbounded and extends everywhere, there is nowhere that it is not. What you mean by "meaningful distance" i'm not sure. Your last sentence i'm not understanding, perhaps you could clarify?Last edited by 37818; 03-31-2015, 08:40 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe word "meaningful" should have been omitted. In space, distance is only by the things in space. Space without matter does not matter . Without somethings in space there is no distance or time for that matter. If there was only one electron in all of space, except for its spin and its dimensions there would not be any time or dimension in space. Photons - light has to have matter in space to have any meaning, wavelength or frequency to travel at its speed of light. No matter no light in space.Last edited by JimL; 03-31-2015, 07:35 PM.
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Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View PostShuny, where did I make human religious assumptions?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe way I define eternal is that which has never not existed, and by infinite I mean that which is unbounded and extends everywhere, there is nowhere that it is not.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWait. What makes space eternal or infinite?
There also has to be more than one thing in space to have meaningful distance. And time, along with two or more things in order for there to be motion or change.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostHuh, wouldn't an infinite past indicate that Christ died and came back to life an infinite amount of times? After all, it is only necessary that the particles arrange themselves in such a way so as to restore brain function.
the 'religious part' is an implication from the stated premise that there is an 'infinite past'. That's not an assumption.-The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
Sir James Jeans
-This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
Sir Isaac Newton
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Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View PostWhat assumption did I make there?
the 'religious part' is an implication from the stated premise that there is an 'infinite past'. That's not an assumption.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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