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    In 2006, I published a book called Better Never to Have Been. I argued that coming into existence is always a serious harm. People should never, under any circumstance, procreate – a position called ‘anti-natalism’.
    https://aeon.co/essays/having-childr...ng-its-immoral
    Wait for it!!!

    David Benatar is professor of philosophy and head of the department of philosophy at the University of Cape Town, where he is also the director of the Bioethics Centre


    Better for him to gouge out eyes, chop hands off than to spout such evil!!
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

  • #2
    I can almost guarantee this guy is an atheist, and if that's the case, he seems to be one of the very few to follow his worldview to its logical conclusion.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      I can almost guarantee this guy is an atheist, and if that's the case, he seems to be one of the very few to follow his worldview to its logical conclusion.
      Well, he hasn't suicided yet!!
      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        Wait for it!!!

        David Benatar is professor of philosophy and head of the department of philosophy at the University of Cape Town, where he is also the director of the Bioethics Centre


        Better for him to gouge out eyes, chop hands off than to spout such evil!!
        Tell me just HOW this position is evil?
        "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

        I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
          Well, he hasn't suicided yet!!
          He spends time in the article explaining why believing that bringing someone into existence is different from ending a current existence.

          I found the arguments in the article to generally be weak (and the best ones applied only to specific situations), but he did make it clear he wasn't talking about ending existing life.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
            He spends time in the article explaining why believing that bringing someone into existence is different from ending a current existence.
            Yes, he tries low energy 'It can be the case that one’s life was not worth starting without it being the case that one’s life is not worth continuing.' But that does not mean that suicide is not implication of logic of his, he just doesn't want to talk about it seriously!!!

            Typical idiot, trying to avoid obvious part of logic of his, that if life so so terrible, so much pain, desire "never satisfied", then suicide is logical answer.
            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
              How is saying 'peoples, also nations, should just commit suicide by not having kids' evil?

              How is saying life not worth living evil??

              How is saying having children is wrong evil????


              You're progtard through and through.
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #8
                Bonus, for non-tards:

                The question is not whether humans will become extinct, but rather when they will. If the anti-natalist arguments are correct, it would be better, all things being equal, if this happened sooner rather than later for, the sooner it happens, the more suffering and misfortune will be avoided.
                He wants everyone dead. Like I said, suicidal cult of death.

                And only sad thing is, no application of his own philosophy to himself yet, 'death better than life!!!'
                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post


                  You're progtard through and through.
                  Regardless of his argument's merit, you seem incapable of understanding it. Why are you getting so worked up over one philosopher's opinion piece that you can't even read?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                    Stop pointing out the truth!!!
                    No.
                    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                    • #11
                      The question is not whether humans will become extinct, but rather when they will. If the anti-natalist arguments are correct, it would be better, all things being equal, if this happened sooner rather than later for, the sooner it happens, the more suffering and misfortune will be avoided.

                      It's ironic that the painless existence that atheists so desperately want will be given to all those who submit to God's will.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        Better for him to gouge out eyes, chop hands off than to spout such evil!!
                        Evidently you understood nothing of David Benatar’s article. If this thread was a test of your reading comprehension I would have to assess you at less than eight years of age.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                          Tell me just HOW this position is evil?
                          I think the better question is, how is it not evil? If we follow Benatar's arguments to their logical conclusion then mass murder becomes a moral good because it prevents future suffering.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            I think the better question is, how is it not evil? If we follow Benatar's arguments to their logical conclusion then mass murder becomes a moral good because it prevents future suffering.
                            Perhaps your miscomprehension is explained here (from the article):
                            … it is difficult to escape the conclusion that all lives contain more bad than good, and that they are deprived of more good than they contain. However, such is the affirmation of life that most people cannot recognise this.

                            One important explanation for this is that in deliberating about whether their lives were worth starting, many people actually (but typically unwittingly) consider a different question, namely whether their lives are worth continuing. Because they imagine themselves not existing, their reflection on non-existence is with reference to a self that already exists. It is then quite easy to slip into thinking about the loss of that self, which is what death is. Given the life drive, it is not surprising that people come to the conclusion that existence is preferable.
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • #15
                              Yes, it does seem that he recognizes the logical implications of his beliefs, but he does a very poor job extricating himself from them. For instance, he employs this tortured logic:

                              The difference between a life not worth starting and a life not worth continuing partly explains why anti-natalism does not imply either suicide or murder. It can be the case that one’s life was not worth starting without it being the case that one’s life is not worth continuing. If the quality of one’s life is still not bad enough to override one’s interest in not dying, then one’s life is still worth continuing, even though the current and future harms are sufficient to make it the case that one’s life was not worth starting.

                              But this rather obviously isn't an answer because logically if a life is not worth starting because of the amount of suffering that will be experienced then necessarily a life once started is not worth continuing. There is no way to get around this conclusion without undermining the premises on which his argument is built, and rather sneakily he doesn't really try. His solution, as we see above, is to simply flatly deny the conclusion, but then he almost immediately contradicts himself a paragraph later by saying that "life-affirmation clouds people’s ability to see that life contains more bad than good".

                              Essentially, he's arguing for nihilism, and if nihilism is true then whether we live or die is immaterial, just another meaningless accident in a random universe.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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