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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Due to the doctrine of abrogation the underlined isn't true.

    Source: Quran

    Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. S. 5:72-73

    And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! S. 9:30

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    If certain hadith are taken as authoritative, as many Muslims do, then Christians are thrown into hell to allow Muslims a free pass.

    Source: Sahih Muslim

    Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:
    No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ).

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    OK so assuming that, I have a 50/50 chance between choosing a God who allows anyone who asks Jesus to save him to get into heaven, and a God who randomly tosses strangers into hell to buy muslims a free ride to heaven. So I will still choose the Christian God who is more merciful and just.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      OK so assuming that, I have a 50/50 chance between choosing a God who allows anyone who asks Jesus to save him to get into heaven, and a God who randomly tosses strangers into hell to buy muslims a free ride to heaven. So I will still choose the Christian God who is more merciful and just.
      Something like that yeah.

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      • #18
        Or an atheist might accuse God of "just" being some incredibly advanced alien. Which would not be a smart move at all!
        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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        • #19
          The basic principle of Pascal's Wager was a major reason I didn't give up during my period of major doubt 10-11 years ago, when Christianity was starting to look a lot more unlikely than not. I couldn't imagine making a final decision based on it though. I couldn't embrace a religion I was only 50% sure was true.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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