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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs Charles Babbage famously said, "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostHmm, more likely "you are rightly not able, or unwilling to answer, so pretend not to be able to apprehend.
So here it is: If God doesn't exist then why should I give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about my conscience? It's just neurons firing in my brain, nothing more than a natural process like gravity or entropy, so why assign it any special significance? Why shouldn't I strive to be like a Hillary Clinton and acquire enough power and money until I could literally get away with murder?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhy not?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBecause I like chasing women and smoking weed and selling weed and watching porn. And I don't do those things (among others) anymore based solely on religious beliefs.
Someone might scoff and say, "You don't seem like that great of a person to me!" to which I would respond, "Perhaps not, but without religion, I would be even worse."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIndeed. I'm a better person because of my religion.
Someone might scoff and say, "You don't seem like that great of a person to me!" to which I would respond, "Perhaps not, but without religion, I would be even worse."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBecause I like chasing women and smoking weed and selling weed and watching porn. And I don't do those things (among others) anymore based solely on religious beliefs.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWould you rape women, would you sell drugs to children, would you rob, or murder and rob, every penny from an elderly widow? What do you think?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, there are a lot of things I did do that I won't do now because of my faith. That is a fact, and I'm not going to lay out all my past sins, it is enough to say that many were criminal in nature.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, there are a lot of things I did do that I won't do now because of my faith. That is a fact, and I'm not going to lay out all my past sins, it is enough to say that many were criminal in nature.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostGlad you got saved. I sure don't have an interesting Saul-Paul transformation style conversion. I was a mere child, so my morality is heavily influenced by Christian morality. I can't know what I'd be like without Jesus, because I have been a Christian for most of my life. My brain was still developing, so I don't know how that affects things.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostGlad you got saved. I sure don't have an interesting Saul-Paul transformation style conversion. I was a mere child, so my morality is heavily influenced by Christian morality. I can't know what I'd be like without Jesus, because I have been a Christian for most of my life. My brain was still developing, so I don't know how that affects things.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI wasn't asking you to lay out all, or any, of your past sins seer, I was asking if you would do those particular things that I asked you of in the above post now, if you knew there was no god? The reason I asked is because the sins that you mentioned that you no longer do were rather mild in nature and having not much, if any effect, on anyone but yourself. So you don't need to tell me what you did in the past, prior to your conversion, I'm only asking you if, knowing there is no god, would you do those particular things I ask you of today.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostYou sound a bit like a friend of mine who grew up in a good Christian home and was saved as a youngster. Though he had done nothing terrible himself, the thing that God used to get his attention was the realization that he was capable of doing the worst things than any person on earth had ever done (murder, etc.). As an unbeliever, he realized that his heart was fundamentally no different from theirs.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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