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Morality or Obedience?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostBut it does answer the question -- unless you're claiming that those Christian virtues have no rational defense. Is that a position you really want to defend?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSure, altruism and benevolence can be rationally defended if atheism is true, but that's not the point. The point is that selfishness and cruelty can also be rationally defended if atheism is true.
But it also depends on what you are prepared to call a rational defense. For any position on any subject, those who defend it will claim to be presenting a rational defense. That doesn't mean they are actually being rational in their thinking. When two people present apparently logical arguments for contrary conclusions, we can be very sure that at least one of them is making a mistake in their reasoning.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostIf that is the case, then atheism is irrelevant to their defense, and therefore God's existence is irrelevant to their defense.
But it also depends on what you are prepared to call a rational defense. For any position on any subject, those who defend it will claim to be presenting a rational defense. That doesn't mean they are actually being rational in their thinking. When two people present apparently logical arguments for contrary conclusions, we can be very sure that at least one of them is making a mistake in their reasoning.
In other words, there is no argument available to the atheist that begins with "Assuming atheism is true" and ends with "therefore, one ought to be moral," because literally any act can be rationally defended in an atheistic universe.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, there is no argument available to the atheist that begins with "Assuming atheism is true" and ends with "therefore, one ought to be moral," because literally any act can be rationally defended in an atheistic universe.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostA conscience isn't a thing, it isn't an organ that can be given to you Sparko, a conscience is nurtured, it develops. Infants don't have a conscience.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postan infant doesn't really have a mind either. But it will one day. We all have consciences and they all inform us of right and wrong, so what's your point?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAn infant has a nervous system, a brain, and a conscience is nothing more than info put into that brain which informs it of right and wrong. We're not born with a conscience!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/us/bab...360/index.html. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAn infant has a nervous system, a brain, and a conscience is nothing more than info put into that brain which informs it of right and wrong. We're not born with a conscience!
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postan infant doesn't really have a mind either. But it will one day. We all have consciences and they all inform us of right and wrong, so what's your point?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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If I suddenly became an atheist, I'm not sure how my behavior would change. On the whole, it probably wouldn't change substantially--or at least not obviously so. E.g., I wouldn't become a thief/murderer/rapist overnight. Certain of my "minor" behaviors would most definitely change, but probably not much in the way of big-ticket stuff. Most of all, my outlook on life would change. At a guess, I'd probably become pretty nihilistic about most things.
Hard to say, though.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostWhich means, as I stated, that atheism is irrelevant to any defense of one's behavior. That doesn't mean there can be no rational defense. I don't need either to affirm or to deny God's existence in order to know how to properly exercise my reason, and the proper exercise of reason does not produce the kind of moral nihilism that you seem to think it does.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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