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  • #91
    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Does not count.
    I know - that was as close as I could get. But the environmentalists would be outraged!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #92
      But the olive tree represented people. And then we have this:

      "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." (Lk 19:27)

      Blessings,
      Lee
      "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        He killed an olive tree.
        Um, wasn't it a fig tree?
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
          Um, wasn't it a fig tree?
          Ah, yes - figs, olives, tofu....
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Ah, yes - figs, olives, tofu....
            Hey! Figs and olives are great. Tofu on the other hand . . .
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
              Hey! Figs and olives are great. Tofu on the other hand . . .
              Yeah, I'd agree.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Jesus also never killed someone to save another person's life (the 'someone' would be a person trying to kill the person saved, of course), so does that mean that is a sin also?
                Jesus in His incarnate state never killed someone. If you're like me and believe most, if not all, of the appearances of God in the OT was of the Son and not the Father He actually killed quite a few persons.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                  Jesus in His incarnate state never killed someone. If you're like me and believe most, if not all, of the appearances of God in the OT was of the Son and not the Father He actually killed quite a few persons.
                  We were discussing Jesus's example on earth. God kills everyone.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                    Hey! Figs and olives are great. Tofu on the other hand . . .
                    I'd take tofu over olives. I can at least disguise tofu, since it's mostly tasteless.
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                    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      I'd take tofu over olives. I can at least disguise tofu, since it's mostly tasteless.
                      You like Vegemite but not olives?
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                      • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        You like Vegemite but not olives?
                        Just olives without Vegemite? I like Vegemite and olives (green or ripe). I have never tried Marmite.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          Just olives without Vegemite? I like Vegemite and olives (green or ripe). I have never tried Marmite.
                          Isn't Marmite what you use to blast tree stumps out of the ground?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Isn't Marmite what you use to blast tree stumps out of the ground?
                            I thought it was the critter living in the stump in the ground...
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                            • Marmite (NZ version) is good stuff, dunno about the English version though.
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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                We were discussing Jesus's example on earth. God kills everyone.
                                Ah, you're right.

                                It's not like I even think Lee_Merrill's argument is valid in the first place, so I'm not sure why I made that comment.

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