What is a Preterist?

[Conductor42]

What's a preterist?
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[bar Jonah]

In a nutshell, someone who believes Daniel's "Prophecy of Weeks" was completely fulfilled in the first century. It states that the messiah would be cut off for His people in A.D. 33 or so, and certainly before the destruction of the Temple, which occured in A.D. 70, as you know.) But more than that, they believe the whole tribulation associated with that was fulfilled back then. Whereas most Christians believe the 7-year Tribulation (the final week of the 70 weeks) is yet to come, a future event. Thus, you have Preterists... and Futurists.

There's a lot more to it, but that's my nutshell version. (Granted, I'm not a preterist, so you should also get info from Preterists, as well.)

[studyhound]

A preterists is a theological term in eschatology. It is an understanding of how the Great tribulation will/did unfold. By this, preterists understand the passages in Matt 24 and its parallels, other minor sections of the Bible and also the majority of Revelation to fulfilled in 70a.d. with the destruction of Israel.

So Plain and simple, no future tribulation all tribulation event happened in the past.

This is an orthodox point of view. There is a heretical view that says all things are fulfilled. The resurrection, the judgments and all things are fulfilled.

This is just a simple overview I hope this helps.

:studyhound:

[bar Jonah]

Ah yes, true, there are two basic kinds of preterism. One is heretical -- Full Preterism or Heterodox Preterism, which believes ALL things have been fulfilled.

The other -- Partial Preterism or Orthodox Preterism -- isn't heretical. (It's just bad doctrine.)

[studyhound]

RightIdea:

In a nutshell, someone who believes Daniel's "Prophecy of Weeks" was completely fulfilled in the first century. It states that the messiah would be cut off for His people in A.D. 33 or so, and certainly before the destruction of the Temple, which occured in A.D. 70, as you know.) But more than that, they believe the whole tribulation associated with that was fulfilled back then. Whereas most Christians believe the 7-year Tribulation (the final week of the 70 weeks) is yet to come, a future event. Thus, you have Preterists... and Futurists.

There's a lot more to it, but that's my nutshell version. (Granted, I'm not a preterist, so you should also get info from Preterists, as well.)

Hey RI, Herry Christmas!!

FYI, not all preterists hold that 70a.d. was the fufillment of Dan's 70th week. I personaly hold to all 70 weeks being concurrent. no break. Not 1 year not 40 not 2000.

Just a FYI.

[bar Jonah]

Ah, interesting. That makes slightly more sense than the preterism I've heard before.

As a Mid-Acts Dispy, I agree that the plan was for the 70 weeks to be concurrent, with no breaks. But that God responded to Israel's continued failure to turn to Him, vis a vis Jeremiah 18.

[studyhound]

RightIdea:

Ah, interesting. That makes slightly more sense than the preterism I've heard before.

As a Mid-Acts Dispy, I agree that the plan was for the 70 weeks to be concurrent, with no breaks. But that God responded to Israel's continued failure to turn to Him, vis a vis Jeremiah 18.

Just a side note of claification are you a OVer or a molinists?

[bar Jonah]

Yes, I hold to the Partially Open View (aka Open Creationism), like Boyd... who if I'm not mistaken is a preterist, btw.

[studyhound]

Ok thanks **cough - hertic - cough** j/k

RightIdea:

Yes, I hold to the Partially Open View (aka Open Creationism), like Boyd... who if I'm not mistaken is a preterist, btw.

Well boy your half way there, come join the dark side.

[bar Jonah]

Halfway there? Which half is "there?"

My Open Creationist side? Or my Mid-Acts Dispensationalist side?

[studyhound]

RightIdea:

Halfway there? Which half is "there?"

My Open Creationist side? Or my Mid-Acts Dispensationalist side?

ohhh you are a stinker, half way to boydism. Of course that might not be such a good thing

[Faramir]

studyhound:

Hey RI, Herry Christmas!!

FYI, not all preterists hold that 70a.d. was the fufillment of Dan's 70th week. I personaly hold to all 70 weeks being concurrent. no break. Not 1 year not 40 not 2000.

RightIdea:

Ah, interesting. That makes slightly more sense than the preterism I've heard before.

Heard from where? I know that I and I am almost positive Dee Dee, hold no gap in the 70 weeks. That AD 70 was predicted as coming after the 70th week as a result of action in the last week. (Which began with Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist was bisected by the crucifixion [Messiah cut off, end of sacrifice] and completed with the full rejection of the Messiah by ethnic Israel with the stoning of Stephen)

While some preterist do hold to a gap of 40 or so years between the 69th and 70th week, I think that most of the preterist on this board anyway, do not. (IMHO if you are going to go ahead and put a gap there anyway, you might as well be a futurist)

[Dee Dee Warren]

Today @ 05:38 PM post located here
Faramir:






Heard from where? I know that I and I am almost positive Dee Dee, hold no gap in the 70 weeks. That AD 70 was predicted as coming after the 70th week as a result of action in the last week. (Which began with Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist was bisected by the crucifixion [Messiah cut off, end of sacrifice] and completed with the full rejection of the Messiah by ethnic Israel with the stoning of Stephen)

While some preterist do hold to a gap of 40 or so years between the 69th and 70th week, I think that most of the preterist on this board anyway, do not. (IMHO if you are going to go ahead and put a gap there anyway, you might as well be a futurist)

RI, I have no idea where you would have gotten that idea. In the 70 weeks thread in the very beginning of TWeb I never held to any gap and in fact adamanetly argued against it. Perhaps you misunderstood, cause Faramir is right.

I think JP holds to a gap. And JP would be wrong. Don't tell FF I said that, it will cause him another spasmodic twitch.

[Conductor42]

Dee Dee, aren't you a preterist? Would you agree with the definitions given earlier? If not, what's your definition of a preterist?

[studyhound]

Faramir:

Heard from where? I know that I and I am almost positive Dee Dee, hold no gap in the 70 weeks. That AD 70 was predicted as coming after the 70th week as a result of action in the last week. (Which began with Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist was bisected by the crucifixion [Messiah cut off, end of sacrifice] and completed with the full rejection of the Messiah by ethnic Israel with the stoning of Stephen)

While some preterist do hold to a gap of 40 or so years between the 69th and 70th week, I think that most of the preterist on this board anyway, do not. (IMHO if you are going to go ahead and put a gap there anyway, you might as well be a futurist)

I actually know more who hold a 40-year gap theory than hold to a fulfilled 70th week. In fact off-line I know no one who hold it. Also a lot of the preterist’s literature I read after I move from futurism to preterism was a 40-year gap theory, mostly because of the way they (the writer of the articles) saw the 3 ½ year siege on Jerusalem.

I personally after much reading and reflecting on the passage came to the conclusion that it was an all or none verse. So I took it as a prophecy and accepted it as literal.