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    George Washington’s Virginia church taking down his memorial

    A church attended by George Washington will take down a memorial to the nation's first president, a move church leaders say is intended to make the place of worship more welcoming.

    The Washington Times reported Friday that Christ Church in Alexandria, Va., will remove memorials of Washington and former Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, which stand on either side of the church's altar.

    “The plaques in our sanctuary make some in our presence feel unsafe or unwelcome," church leaders said. "Some visitors and guests who worship with us choose not to return because they receive an unintended message from the prominent presence of the plaques.”

    Washington began attending the church soon after it opened in 1773, and bought a pew there. He attended for more than 20 years, though he appeared more regularly at Pohick Church, southwest of his estate at Mount Vernon.

    Christ Church's decision to remove the statues comes amid a national debate over whether Confederate statues and monuments should be taken down. That debate resurfaced in August after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., turned violent.

    While that debate has focused primarily on Confederate memorials, President Trump suggested shortly after the Charlottesville protests that taking down some memorials would eventually lead to statues of Washington or Thomas Jefferson being removed as well.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...n-his-memorial




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    I've got mixed feelings about this, as I believe "the Church" is "all about Jesus".

    What's dumb is their claim that people feel "unsafe or unwelcome". Like one of these plaques is gonna fly off the wall and attack you?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I've got mixed feelings about this, as I believe "the Church" is "all about Jesus".

      What's dumb is their claim that people feel "unsafe or unwelcome". Like one of these plaques is gonna fly off the wall and attack you?
      I highly doubt that doing this will make them focus more on Christ.

      Sounds like seeker-sensitive to me. Next comes tickling ears.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        I've got mixed feelings about this, as I believe "the Church" is "all about Jesus".

        What's dumb is their claim that people feel "unsafe or unwelcome". Like one of these plaques is gonna fly off the wall and attack you?
        It's standard sjw language used to corrupt an institution. If someone in your church demands a change because it makes them feel "unsafe or unwelcome" excommunicate them on the spot.
        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I've got mixed feelings about this, as I believe "the Church" is "all about Jesus".
          It's just a plaque on a building commemorating something of historical significance. I don't see how it detracts from the gospel.

          I'm more troubled by the fact that a church promoting a historically based religion would seek to suppress history. How long before they start downplaying other truths that might make the congregation uncomfortable,
          Last edited by Mountain Man; 10-28-2017, 10:54 AM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            I more troubled by the fact that a church promoting a historically based religion would seek to suppress history. How long before they start downplaying other truths that might make the congregation uncomfortable,
            They're Episcopalians - they started doing that a while ago.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              It's just a plaque on a building....
              It specifically states "on either side of the church's altar" and "in our sanctuary". If it were a plaque on the outside of the building, that might be different.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                It's standard sjw language used to corrupt an institution. If someone in your church demands a change because it makes them feel "unsafe or unwelcome" excommunicate them on the spot.
                Whenever somebody tells me they feel "uncomfortable" in worship, I ask them how "comfortable" do you think Isaiah was in the year that King Uzziah when one of the seraphim took a live coal from the altar and smooshed on his mouth.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It specifically states "on either side of the church's altar" and "in our sanctuary". If it were a plaque on the outside of the building, that might be different.
                  Doesn't change anything as far as I'm concerned.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    I can't say i'm surprised.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      It's standard sjw language used to corrupt an institution. If someone in your church demands a change because it makes them feel "unsafe or unwelcome" excommunicate them on the spot.
                      How does this justify excommunication from the church (which biblically implies a state of eternal condemnation)?
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #12
                        It probably shouldn't be in the actual worship space as that is a place for God's glory only. It wouldn't be an issue if it was in the narthex/lobby or on the outside of the building, though it's strange that people would feel physically uncomfortable. Personally I'm more bothered by churches that display flags in the worship space.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          How does this justify excommunication from the church (which biblically implies a state of eternal condemnation)?
                          Because they are attempting to corrupt the church with a different religion (liberalism)
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            They're Episcopalians - they started doing that a while ago.
                            Seriously, Pig?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              George Washington’s Virginia church taking down his memorial

                              A church attended by George Washington will take down a memorial to the nation's first president, a move church leaders say is intended to make the place of worship more welcoming.

                              The Washington Times reported Friday that Christ Church in Alexandria, Va., will remove memorials of Washington and former Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, which stand on either side of the church's altar.

                              “The plaques in our sanctuary make some in our presence feel unsafe or unwelcome," church leaders said. "Some visitors and guests who worship with us choose not to return because they receive an unintended message from the prominent presence of the plaques.”

                              Washington began attending the church soon after it opened in 1773, and bought a pew there. He attended for more than 20 years, though he appeared more regularly at Pohick Church, southwest of his estate at Mount Vernon.

                              Christ Church's decision to remove the statues comes amid a national debate over whether Confederate statues and monuments should be taken down. That debate resurfaced in August after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., turned violent.

                              While that debate has focused primarily on Confederate memorials, President Trump suggested shortly after the Charlottesville protests that taking down some memorials would eventually lead to statues of Washington or Thomas Jefferson being removed as well.


                              http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...n-his-memorial


                              Yeah, as an Episcopalian I can say that I definitely don't agree with this decision. You can change history by hiding the reminders. I can appreciate their motive to be welcoming but this definitely is the wrong way to go about it.
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                              ~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....

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