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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jorge the welcher View Post
    [sigh ...] Yet MORE "non-existent" evidence supporting a young creation.

    https://crev.info/2017/11/fossil-for...nd-antarctica/
    Since didn't bother to quote anything from the article - possibly because it's indefensible trash - I will:
    Source: https://crev.info/2017/11/fossil-forest-found-antarctica/

    Claimed to be 280 million years old, stumps of fossil trees retain original material in the world’s coldest climate.

    The roots are still attached to a stump emerging from the ground in Antarctica. In the photo on Live Science, paleobiologists led by Erik Gulbranson claim that forests grew here from 400 million to 14 million Darwin Years ago, “which is basically the entirety of plant evolution.”

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    "Darwin years"? Following the link leads to a ridiculous glossary of insults and mockery with absolutely no foundation. That's a really good indication that the rest of the article will consist of unsupported juvenility.
    Source: ibid

    The most astonishing part of the story, however, is near the end:
    The plants are so well-preserved in rock that some of the amino acid building blocks that made up the trees’ proteins can still be extracted, said Gulbranson, who specializes in geochemistry techniques. Studying these chemical building blocks may help clarify how the trees handled the southern latitudes’ weird sunlight conditions, as well as the factors that allowed those plants to thrive but drove Glossopteris to its death, he said.

    This statement comes after two claims that the fossils had turned to stone.

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    No, that's a lie. Not only is there only one reference to petrification, not two, but that reference applies to the 280myo Glossopteris fossils, not the more recent post-Permian fossils whose amino-acids are being examined. Here's the additional context:

    "A fossilized Glossopteris tree in the Transantarctic Mountains grew there some 280 million years ago, before being rapidly covered with volcanic ash and turned to stone. ...

    Those sites contain fossils from a period spanning from before to after the Permian extinction. After the extinction, Gulbranson said, the forests didn't disappear, but they changed. Glossopteris was out, but a new mix of evergreen and deciduous trees, including relatives of today's gingkoes, moved in. "What we're trying to research is what exactly caused those transitions to occur, and that's what we don't know very well," Gulbranson said. The plants are so well-preserved in rock that some of the amino acid building blocks that made up the trees' proteins can still be extracted, said Gulbranson, who specializes in geochemistry techniques. Studying these chemical building blocks may help clarify how the trees handled the southern latitudes' weird sunlight conditions, as well as the factors that allowed those plants to thrive but drove Glossopteris to its death..."


    Back to Coppedge's article:
    Source: ibid

    Amino acids are clearly not made of stone. They typically racemize over time (i.e., become mixtures of left- and right-handed forms). Over millions of years, they should disappear, being replaced by rock.

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    Why should they disappear? Coppedge doesn't say. Nor is there any indication that they haven't become racemized.

    Further on:
    Source: ibid

    The press release from UMW mentions nothing about amino acids.

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    Suggesting that the LiveScience journalist did more than read the press release.
    Source: ibid

    Gulbranson adds, “They’re actually some of the best-preserved fossil plants in the world.” Tree rings are clearly seen. Some of the specimens in the video appear dark; are they carbonized instead of lithified?

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    There's absolutely no reason to think so.
    Source: ibid

    Isn’t it instructive that the evolutionists, rather than being astonished that any biological material would last for 280 million imaginary years, look at the amino acids through evolutionary glasses and ask completely different questions?

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    Who said biological material lasted 280my? Not the researchers, certainly; the article suggests the amino-acids being studied are post-Permian, so much younger. It's also a very big stretch to classify amino-acids, which have been found in meteorites and hydrothermal vents, as biological material.
    Source: ibid

    Anyway, chalk up another case of ancient biological tissue surprising old earthers.

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    Amino-acids are not biological tissue. There's no indication in any of the sources that any tissue has been preserved. That's another lie by Coppedge.
    Source: ibid

    The old guard seems absolutely incapable of even considering the possibility that their beloved evolutionary timeline is fundamentally in error. Let the evidence speak.

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    I'm perfectly happy to let the evidence for the age of these fossils speak - but for some reason Coppedge has ignored it completely. There's nothing in his commentary that even mentions how the fossils were dated. The whole article can be summed up as Coppedge claiming with no evidence that amino-acids can't be 280myo, therefore the earth is 0.006myo. There is no evidence here to support a young creation at all.
    Last edited by Roy; 11-21-2017, 10:20 AM.
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
    MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
      That's right . 280 million year old fossils are great evidence the Earth is only 6000 years old.

      What would we do without your brilliant shining light of YECkery?
      Wait a sec.

      You haven't posted anything for months apart from responses to that appear within hours of his fly-by poopings.

      Is notifying you of his gallocoprostatic visits in advance?
      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

      MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
      MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

      seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Roy View Post
        "Darwin years"?
        I hope the YECs officially adopt the "DY" dating system, if only for the lulzs.
        "When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."

        — Alfred North Whitehead

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