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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTwo words - pressure cooker.Last edited by firstfloor; 11-07-2017, 11:29 PM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSeems like the only time the media considers a person's worldview to be of interest is when it's a Christian.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostTheir means of expression are so impoverished and they are so inarticulate that only bullets seem to have sufficient voice and even then, the message is incomprehensible to Americans.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThe media considered the Muslim worldview of another attacker to be of interest only a few days ago.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOkay. So, who's fault is that exactly? It can't just be on the shoulders of gun control advocates. If the system is broken then it's broken because of everyone in the system, not just those who want to see it fixed. Or maybe there's always going to be accidents in a system with as much red tape as ours has, which, again, isn't the fault purely of gun control advocates.
The whole "criminals don't obey laws" is a bit of a red herring. We discussed this in the other thread. The goal of gun control laws isn't to prevent law abiding criminals from committing crimes, but from preventing law breaking criminals from committing crimes by making it much harder for them to acquire weapons by any means (either legally or illegally).
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwell short of taking away ALL guns from everyone, what do you propose? We already have laws and checks in place to prevent criminals from getting guns legally. As we keep saying, they are not working or being enforced.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThe whole "criminals don't obey laws" is a bit of a red herring. We discussed this in the other thread. The goal of gun control laws isn't to prevent law abiding criminals from committing crimes, ...Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwell short of taking away ALL guns from everyone, what do you propose? We already have laws and checks in place to prevent criminals from getting guns legally. As we keep saying, they are not working or being enforced.
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Originally posted by Roy View Post"Law abiding criminals"?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI offered a proposal in the previous thread. http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post481379Here's a video by Vox that compiles a number of the most popular statistics together, and points out that most of the other 1st world nations where guns are legal have much tougher laws concerning acquiring and keeping guns including that you need:
1.) A license
2.) A recording into an official registry
3.) To acquire a license you need to state a reason for ownership
4.) In most countries you must pass a safety test
5.) And are required by law to store the gun safely
2. That is part of getting a license.
3. unconstitutional -- besides people can lie.
4. In order to get a concealed carry permit you need to take safety classes already.
5. OK I agree. I also think that if someone gets hurt and someone did not store the gun safely it is already a liability: Reckless endangerment
But how does any of that prevent criminals from getting access to guns or anyone else legally or illegally and going on mass shooting sprees?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post1. permits and licenses are already required in most places for anything other than a shotgun.
2. That is part of getting a license.
3. unconstitutional -- besides people can lie.
4. In order to get a concealed carry permit you need to take safety classes already.
5. OK I agree. I also think that if someone gets hurt and someone did not store the gun safely it is already a liability: Reckless endangerment
But how does any of that prevent criminals from getting access to guns or anyone else legally or illegally and going on mass shooting sprees?
As far as prevention goes, licensing and registration would serve to help track guns used in a crime to their origin, and even if that origin isn't to the criminal themselves, it would help the police know where to start in an investigation. Also, if guns are licensed and registered, the government could do yearly checks to ensure that the gun is still in the legal owner's possession, and the owner hadn't sold, lost, or had the gun stolen without informing anyone. If a license is revoked for any reason, then this should prevent the individual from ever legally owning a gun in the future. Registration could also help with random inspections to ensure the gun owner is properly storing the weapon in a safe so that there aren't any in-home accidents, and to lower the risk of theft.
I mean, even if you don't like these ideas, at least it's something. Because, again, whatever we're doing now isn't working.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't know where you live, but here in Ohio, and most of the other places I've lived, absolutely none of those things are done or required. There is no such thing as a gun license or an official registry for most types of guns that I know of. You can get a gun almost anywhere. Heck, here they actually give away guns at raffles. No 90 day check, no license required, no nothing. I don't see why stating what you need a gun for is unconstitutional, and so what if people can lie, the important thing is that it gives the government some idea why they're being used, which I think is helpful for data analysis, and regular safety classes to own any sort of gun, whether it's concealed or not seems like a pretty good idea.
As far as prevention goes, licensing and registration would serve to help track guns used in a crime to their origin, and even if that origin isn't to the criminal themselves, it would help the police know where to start in an investigation. Also, if guns are licensed and registered, the government could do yearly checks to ensure that the gun is still in the legal owner's possession, and the owner hadn't sold, lost, or had the gun stolen without informing anyone. If a license is revoked for any reason, then this should prevent the individual from ever legally owning a gun in the future. Registration could also help with random inspections to ensure the gun owner is properly storing the weapon in a safe so that there aren't any in-home accidents, and to lower the risk of theft.
I mean, even if you don't like these ideas, at least it's something. Because, again, whatever we're doing now isn't working.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't know where you live, but here in Ohio, and most of the other places I've lived, absolutely none of those things are done or required. There is no such thing as a gun license or an official registry for most types of guns that I know of. You can get a gun almost anywhere. Heck, here they actually give away guns at raffles. No 90 day check, no license required, no nothing. I don't see why stating what you need a gun for is unconstitutional, and so what if people can lie, the important thing is that it gives the government some idea why they're being used, which I think is helpful for data analysis, and regular safety classes to own any sort of gun, whether it's concealed or not seems like a pretty good idea.
As far as prevention goes, licensing and registration would serve to help track guns used in a crime to their origin, and even if that origin isn't to the criminal themselves, it would help the police know where to start in an investigation. Also, if guns are licensed and registered, the government could do yearly checks to ensure that the gun is still in the legal owner's possession, and the owner hadn't sold, lost, or had the gun stolen without informing anyone. If a license is revoked for any reason, then this should prevent the individual from ever legally owning a gun in the future. Registration could also help with random inspections to ensure the gun owner is properly storing the weapon in a safe so that there aren't any in-home accidents, and to lower the risk of theft.
I mean, even if you don't like these ideas, at least it's something. Because, again, whatever we're doing now isn't working.
You are right, what we are doing now isn't working -- because they are not enforcing the laws we already have. making more laws that won't be enforced isn't going to help.
as far as needing a permit, here is a page from 2010 on which states require permits. Seems like all of them except Alaska, Arizona and Vermont do require some permit or license to carry a gun.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/shal...tricted-states
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWith 3D printers, guns can actually be 'printed' without serial numbers, so it's getting even crazier.
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