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What can we learn from discussion on this matter? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.
Yesterday, a tragedy occurred with a shooting in a Texas church. I am sure it was at least 20 who were killed as there are different reports out now and I know one of them was the pastor's 14 year-old daughter. Either way, we have a tragedy right now, but what happens when we go to Facebook and the comments section to see what's going on?
There's immediately charges about who did it and why. Now in some sense, I can understand people not mourning. After all, there are several people who will die today and you and I will go through our lives for the most part and not even blink and in fact be happy about it. There's nothing abnormal about this. When July 24th comes every year, for most of you out there, it's likely another day of the year. For Allie and I, it's a very happy time as that's our anniversary. I don't expect someone who doesn't know us to be happy or to have zero sadness on that day. Every day is day of tragedy for someone and a day of joy for someone else.*
I have no problem actually then with people discussing this problem and what to do about it. What I have a problem with is people who don't know the facts acting like they do. In fact, many of them hope that the facts are on their side. That is, the fact that the killer was a member of a certain religion or political persuasion.
One report I have heard is that the gunman was an atheist who wanted to strike out at a church and I think it was his mother-in-law's church. What would that show? It would not show that you need to be living in fear of the atheist that you meet. It would not show that all atheists are bloodthirsty killers. In fact, many atheists can lead moral lives that could put many Christians to shame.*
What if it was a Christian? Again, you would not be able to extrapolate to all other Christians out there. In fact, you will find some crazies in every group out there. It saddens me greatly to know Christians do some terrible things.
For if it was a Muslim, which I haven't heard this but I'm just tossing it out there. Sadly, I can understand this one some. Most of the acts of terrorism we've seen committed here in this country I think have had the battle cry of "Allahu Akbar!" Again, that doesn't mean that I need to live in terror of the Muslim down the street.*
We could go on with if this was a conservative or a liberal. One of the problems is what we do with conspiracy theories. Someone comes with a presupposition of what they think the conclusion was and then tries to find the evidence to support it. In fact, I remember P.Z. Myers did this with the shooting of the Congresswoman in Arizona where he was insistent it would be a right-wing tea party member. Even when evidence he shared was shown to be fake, he was still insistent he was right. (It does look like the posts have been taken down now.)
Now we could discuss the ideologies instead and where they lead to. These are better questions because we're discussing worldviews and not persons. For instance, if atheism is true, this person does not have to represent all atheists, and he doesn't if he is one, but we could ask how atheism explains this. If the person was an atheist, did that person live in contradiction to his worldview or not?*
What if they were a Christian? Again, we ask the same questions. We also ask that if they were a Muslim. Every worldview has to explain evil and every worldview has to explain morality, even if as is the case with some atheists, they want to say that morality is an illusion of sorts and there is no objective right or wrong.
There's another thing to not say here. It is foolish I think for us to try to divine the will of God from what happens. Sometimes things just happen because people are evil. I have a problem with people reading the will of God or trying to figure it out from dreams, experiences, events, circumstances, etc. which we don't know to be directly from God and messages for us, and ignoring the place where we are sure we get the will of God, Scripture. Spend more time exegeting Scripture than you do your own life.
Also, I am on guard now for people saying statements about mental illness. Unfortunately, mental illness becomes a catch-all term that people use and automatically everyone with a mental illness is suspect. Technically, my wife and I both have at least one, namely Aspergers. Could someone with a particular mental condition be more prone to doing this? Sure, but let's make sure that we don't impugn all people with mental conditions with that.
When this happened in Las Vegas, I saw someone saying it was the case of mental illness. It always amazes me that people say that someone had to be mentally ill to do something like this. Not necessarily. Could some people just simply be evil and do this? We so often want to say that the person is just a poor thinker and did something stupid than to say the person is an evil soul who did something evil. Sometimes, things happen because people are sinners. Chesterton years ago said the most empirically verifiable doctrine of Christianity is original sin. We are now losing sight of that. It could be we want to say mental illness because those who are supposedly "sane" can then be free to not worry and we don't have to bother examining ourselves and that pesky little sin problem.
For a while, you're going to hear people make several claims about what happened. Always be ready to ask what the source is for the claim and how it has been verified. I'm also sure we will hear several crazy conspiracy theory claims. There will be no doubt people saying that this didn't happen at all. Who knows what else they will come up with? Please especially ignore these.
Pray for the people involved and let's try to not jump onto any bandwagons of suspicion. Wait until the facts are in, and these are facts that are agreed to by the majority, and then discuss. Until then, worldviews are always available to be discussed and it could never hurt us to have more discussions about the truth on ultimate reality.
In Christ,
Nick Peters
The link can be found here.
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What can we learn from discussion on this matter? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.
Yesterday, a tragedy occurred with a shooting in a Texas church. I am sure it was at least 20 who were killed as there are different reports out now and I know one of them was the pastor's 14 year-old daughter. Either way, we have a tragedy right now, but what happens when we go to Facebook and the comments section to see what's going on?
There's immediately charges about who did it and why. Now in some sense, I can understand people not mourning. After all, there are several people who will die today and you and I will go through our lives for the most part and not even blink and in fact be happy about it. There's nothing abnormal about this. When July 24th comes every year, for most of you out there, it's likely another day of the year. For Allie and I, it's a very happy time as that's our anniversary. I don't expect someone who doesn't know us to be happy or to have zero sadness on that day. Every day is day of tragedy for someone and a day of joy for someone else.*
I have no problem actually then with people discussing this problem and what to do about it. What I have a problem with is people who don't know the facts acting like they do. In fact, many of them hope that the facts are on their side. That is, the fact that the killer was a member of a certain religion or political persuasion.
One report I have heard is that the gunman was an atheist who wanted to strike out at a church and I think it was his mother-in-law's church. What would that show? It would not show that you need to be living in fear of the atheist that you meet. It would not show that all atheists are bloodthirsty killers. In fact, many atheists can lead moral lives that could put many Christians to shame.*
What if it was a Christian? Again, you would not be able to extrapolate to all other Christians out there. In fact, you will find some crazies in every group out there. It saddens me greatly to know Christians do some terrible things.
For if it was a Muslim, which I haven't heard this but I'm just tossing it out there. Sadly, I can understand this one some. Most of the acts of terrorism we've seen committed here in this country I think have had the battle cry of "Allahu Akbar!" Again, that doesn't mean that I need to live in terror of the Muslim down the street.*
We could go on with if this was a conservative or a liberal. One of the problems is what we do with conspiracy theories. Someone comes with a presupposition of what they think the conclusion was and then tries to find the evidence to support it. In fact, I remember P.Z. Myers did this with the shooting of the Congresswoman in Arizona where he was insistent it would be a right-wing tea party member. Even when evidence he shared was shown to be fake, he was still insistent he was right. (It does look like the posts have been taken down now.)
Now we could discuss the ideologies instead and where they lead to. These are better questions because we're discussing worldviews and not persons. For instance, if atheism is true, this person does not have to represent all atheists, and he doesn't if he is one, but we could ask how atheism explains this. If the person was an atheist, did that person live in contradiction to his worldview or not?*
What if they were a Christian? Again, we ask the same questions. We also ask that if they were a Muslim. Every worldview has to explain evil and every worldview has to explain morality, even if as is the case with some atheists, they want to say that morality is an illusion of sorts and there is no objective right or wrong.
There's another thing to not say here. It is foolish I think for us to try to divine the will of God from what happens. Sometimes things just happen because people are evil. I have a problem with people reading the will of God or trying to figure it out from dreams, experiences, events, circumstances, etc. which we don't know to be directly from God and messages for us, and ignoring the place where we are sure we get the will of God, Scripture. Spend more time exegeting Scripture than you do your own life.
Also, I am on guard now for people saying statements about mental illness. Unfortunately, mental illness becomes a catch-all term that people use and automatically everyone with a mental illness is suspect. Technically, my wife and I both have at least one, namely Aspergers. Could someone with a particular mental condition be more prone to doing this? Sure, but let's make sure that we don't impugn all people with mental conditions with that.
When this happened in Las Vegas, I saw someone saying it was the case of mental illness. It always amazes me that people say that someone had to be mentally ill to do something like this. Not necessarily. Could some people just simply be evil and do this? We so often want to say that the person is just a poor thinker and did something stupid than to say the person is an evil soul who did something evil. Sometimes, things happen because people are sinners. Chesterton years ago said the most empirically verifiable doctrine of Christianity is original sin. We are now losing sight of that. It could be we want to say mental illness because those who are supposedly "sane" can then be free to not worry and we don't have to bother examining ourselves and that pesky little sin problem.
For a while, you're going to hear people make several claims about what happened. Always be ready to ask what the source is for the claim and how it has been verified. I'm also sure we will hear several crazy conspiracy theory claims. There will be no doubt people saying that this didn't happen at all. Who knows what else they will come up with? Please especially ignore these.
Pray for the people involved and let's try to not jump onto any bandwagons of suspicion. Wait until the facts are in, and these are facts that are agreed to by the majority, and then discuss. Until then, worldviews are always available to be discussed and it could never hurt us to have more discussions about the truth on ultimate reality.
In Christ,
Nick Peters