Roy Moore accused of sexual contact with 14-year old

[rogue06]

You're letting the world and Satan do your thinking for you. There's nothing actually immoral about it. "Creepy" is a just word that girls use to shame a man who shows interest in them but whom they find unattractive.

Something tells me that if you had a 16 year old daughter and some man in his 30s wanted to date her "creepy" would be the least of the terms you'd use to describe him.

[Obsidian]

There are also several other girls, having nothing to do with Corfman who have also come forward to reveal what many believe to be inappropriate, if not illegal behavior, which shows his prediliction for youg girls. Do you think all these people are conspiring to get the Judge?

Every man has a predilection for young girls. And all women (including young girls) have a predilection for men whom they view as superior to them. The article says that Roy Moore was viewed as a god. So these penniless, unskilled young girls were getting to date a deity. It's only now, thirty-eight years after the fact, after multiple divorces and bankruptcies and after years of volunteering for the Satanic Democrats, that they view it as somehow improper in retrospect.

[rogue06]

Every man has a predilection for young girls.

Even if true one of the things that separate us from the beasts is our God given ability to not act merely instinctively. There is after all a reason that nearly all civilized nations have laws against things like statutory rape.

And tell me, if a 35 year old man came to pick up your 16 year old daughter for a date would you just smile and tell them to have a good time and remind her to be back by midnight?

[Darth Executor]

Even if true one of the things that separate us from the beasts is our God given ability to not act merely instinctively. There is after all a reason that nearly all civilized nations have laws against things like statutory rape.

They also have laws for killing unborn children.

And tell me, if a 35 year old man came to pick up your 16 year old daughter for a date would you just smile and tell them to have a good time and remind her to be back by midnight?

I'd have a talk with her about how he's gonna die before she hits menopause and leave her alone in her old age but if he checks out it's her life.

Didn't mossrose date and marry a much older man? She seems to be doing alright.

[Teallaura]

All this deep ruffling through the private lives of the accusers (who voted for Trump, for the record) is incredibly creepy. This is precisely why people are so reluctant to report things such as sexual assault.

Conversely, a false accusation can ruin someone's career and life - which is why we protect victims when there is a demonstrable reason or the victim is underage and allow the normal process when not. It's a balance and frankly, not one that can be perfectly achieved. Victims need to be safe to report; accused need to be safe from false allegation. Nothing easy about balancing the two.

[Teallaura]

You're letting the world and Satan do your thinking for you. There's nothing actually immoral about it. "Creepy" is a just word that girls use to shame a man who shows interest in them but whom they find unattractive.

You made his point. You're arguing that only physical attraction matters - which is nonsense. A 30+ man has next to nothing in common with a 14 - 16 year old girl so only physical attraction is involved.

From a woman's perspective, heck yeah, it's creepy - we girls like being attractive but we DO NOT want a guy that's only attracted to our bodies. We want a real relationship - so an advance from someone obviously not interested in one is usually unwelcome and when it makes no sense, creepy.

If she was 17 as has been stated (but is unconfirmed to my knowledge) you're right, legally it's a non-issue. If it never happened, it's an issue but from the other direction - no one has the right to make false accusations, period. If she really was 14 and it happened, I wouldn't vote for him.

But the facts don't support the allegation well enough to go that far, in my opinion.

[Mountain Man]

Of course there were no witnesses to the actual events, there never is.

Not only are there no witnesses to the actual event, but she never said a word about it to anybody at the time and supposedly kept it to herself for decade before telling her mother, and then those two kept it to themselves for nearly 30-years, only saying something now when it's most convenient to Moore's opponent (what a coincidence!). There is absolutely no way to corroborate her story, no specific dates, no specific times, so it's impossible to verify, and none of the other women quoted in the story say he ever did anything inappropriate, so that would seem to work against Corfman's accusations. The only other questionable thing in the story is the claim that Moore bought alcohol for an 18-year old when the legal drinking age was 19, but that, too, is impossible to corroborate. That being the case, the innocence of the accused must be presumed.

Come on, Jimmy, I thought you were all about waiting for the evidence before you call someone guilty.

[Obsidian]

And tell me, if a 35 year old man came to pick up your 16 year old daughter for a date would you just smile and tell them to have a good time and remind her to be back by midnight?

I don't have any children. But yes.

From a woman's perspective, heck yeah, it's creepy - we girls like being attractive but we DO NOT want a guy that's only attracted to our bodies. We want a real relationship - so an advance from someone obviously not interested in one is usually unwelcome and when it makes no sense, creepy.

All other things being equal, both sexes want a real relationship. But before you can even get to the step of asking whether the relationship is "real," almost all men have an initial criterion of finding someone who is beautiful and young, and almost all women have an initial criterion of finding someone who is strong and resourceful. If that initial attraction is there, then you can start checking off other criteria like personality, whether the person is a Christian, whether you have things in "common" with them, etc.

[Mountain Man]

Celine Dion's husband was significantly older than her, and they started dating while she was quite young, and they had a fairy-tale marriage. So an older guy dating a younger woman is not "creepy" in and of itself. How would I feel if an older man asked to date my teenage daughter? That would depend entirely on the character of the man.

[Teallaura]

I don't have any children. But yes.



All other things being equal, both sexes want a real relationship. But before you can even get to the step of asking whether the relationship is "real," almost all men have an initial criterion of finding someone who is beautiful and young, and almost all women have an initial criterion of finding someone who is strong and resourceful. If that initial attraction is there, then you can start checking off other criteria like personality, whether the person is a Christian, whether you have things in "common" with them, etc.

Stay away from my hypothetical daughter. I mean it - my hypothetical husband has a hypothetical shotgun that I'd be seriously inclined to let him really use, were he real.

And I'm still pro-gun control - I know full well I shouldn't have them.

[JonathanL]

Here is a definition of delusion which makes an exception for religious beliefs.

“First I think it's important to establish what a delusion is, which is a clearly false belief held despite superior evidence to the contrary that indicates an abnormality in the thoughts of a person, and that is not accounted for by religious or cultural beliefs, or a person's level of education.”

So, some delusions are culturally acceptable because they are religious beliefs. You have a culturally approved delusion.

You're simply too precious.

[JonathanL]

a delusion is . . . a clearly false belief held despite superior evidence to the contrary . . .

Superior evidence against the existence of God? I'm sorry, but in all of human history you skeptics haven't even managed to scrounge up even the slightest indicia in support of the proposition that God doesn't exist. Every argument you guys have against the belief that God exists can basically be summed up as "lalalalalala! I'm not listening! lalalalala!", or "I don't want to believe it, so your evidence doesn't count/your argument is invalid".

I mean, even if the positive arguments and evidence for God's existence were as weak and scarce as you guys claim they are (which they aren't), they still beat the positive arguments and evidence for the non-existence of God by a mile, seeing as those simply don't exist.

[KingsGambit]

Simply bringing up the history that some here want to sweep under the rug while acting so pious on the topic.

I'm not interested in defending the Clintons or minimizing any of their unethical actions; I'm interested in addressing the discussion taking place on this board presently.

[JimL]

Celine Dion's husband was significantly older than her, and they started dating while she was quite young, and they had a fairy-tale marriage. So an older guy dating a younger woman is not "creepy" in and of itself. How would I feel if an older man asked to date my teenage daughter? That would depend entirely on the character of the man.

When the girl is just 14, ya it is a bit creepy, and it's also illegal. Man o man you guys are something else, I can only imagine if this were Barak Obama or Bill Clinton, you'd be yelling "lock him up, Lock him up!"

[Darth Executor]

When the girl is just 14, ya it is a bit creepy, and it's also illegal. Man o man you guys are something else, I can only imagine if this were Barak Obama or Bill Clinton, you'd be yelling "lock him up, Lock him up!"

stop with the bait and switch BS, nobody (except obsidian) thinks 14 is ok, we are talking about 16-17.

We don't believe the 14 accusation at all.