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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Fox News is the only poll having Jones ahead by 10 points. Fox, being an arm of the republican party, that's not hard to figure out. They want to make sure Moore supporters aren't complacent, that they don't take his victory for granted, and get out to vote.
    The irony is that it’s a lose/lose situation whatever happens. Win or lose, Roy Moore could spell trouble for Trump and Republicans. If he loses, it will tell Democrats no area is too red to contest in next year’s midterm elections. If he wins after multiple allegations of sexual misconduct involving girls as young as 14, it will further tarnish the GOP brand...especially among women and the college-educated.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      If Moore wins tomorrow by 2 or 3 % say, then Fox's poll would be off by 12 or 13%, and to be such an outlier, off by that much, would be pretty good evidence that FOX's poll was phoney.
      But if the other polls are off, they're legit.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        I imagine, given the amount of voter suppression that Republicans have put into place, that all polling agencies will be having great trouble predicting the outcome, because so many black and Latino voters won't realize they've had their voting rights taken away from them until they actually turn up to the polls on voting day and are denied a vote.
        Jimmy's sharing his tinfoil hat with you, or did you get your own?
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
          I imagine, given the amount of voter suppression that Republicans have put into place, that all polling agencies will be having great trouble predicting the outcome, because so many black and Latino voters won't realize they've had their voting rights taken away from them until they actually turn up to the polls on voting day and are denied a vote.
          Voter ID laws =/= voter suppression

          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Jimmy's sharing his tinfoil hat with you, or did you get your own?
            I, independently of him, read news about the US from a wide variety of sources. Since, unlike you, I do not have my head shoved firmly in the sand, nor am chanting 'la la la' whilst holding my fingers in my ears, I am aware of the many and various immoral, shameful, undemocratic, and evil things the Republican party in your country has been doing, ranging from voter suppression in Alabama, to passing a tax bill that will create massive debt and will raise taxes on the poor and middle class in order to give huge giveaways to the ultra-rich, and I do not ignore the fact that the special prosecutor's ongoing investigation into Trump's administration is slowly circling closer to the top.

            I consistently find Jim to be a well-read and well-informed poster who is consistently up to date on current news items of importance. By contrast the conservative members of this forum tend to exhibit either willful ignorance combined with willful denials of reality when confronted with facts (e.g. yourself) or aggressively embrace and proclaim false views and distribute propaganda (e.g. Mountain Man). You guys make yourselves look even more foolish when you make fun of Jim, because you are the insane ones, not him.
            Last edited by Starlight; 12-12-2017, 06:09 AM.
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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Voter ID laws =/= voter suppression

              Is that what you pretend when you write your lying Breitbart articles to try to trick the gullible?

              Sometimes for a second I think it would be nice if hell existed, so that people like you could burn in it.

              And then, I remember that no, actually even for people as terrible as you, infinite punishment would be totally immoral and nobody of remote conscience could seriously support anything such as hell.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                I consistently find Jim to be a well-read and well-informed poster...
                Translation: "Jimmy spouts the same liberal talking points as I do."

                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  Is that what you pretend when you write your lying Breitbart articles to try to trick the gullible?

                  Sometimes for a second I think it would be nice if hell existed, so that people like you could burn in it.

                  And then, I remember that no, actually even for people as terrible as you, infinite punishment would be totally immoral and nobody of remote conscience could seriously support anything such as hell.
                  I like how you stand in the gutter but think you're taking the moral high ground.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Voter ID laws =/= voter suppression

                    Again, I will note how it is done here in Georgia.
                    • If you can not afford an ID, the state (taxpayers) will provide for it.
                    • If you can not make it to a licensing office then they will come to your residence.
                    • If you forgot your ID you can still vote but it will be set aside and only counted if the race is so close that these votes could make a difference (if they wouldn't then who cares?)


                    This way there is absolutely no excuse for not having a valid ID.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                      I consistently find Jim to be a well-read and well-informed poster who is consistently up to date on current news items of importance.
                      Wow.

                      That's like saying a torn up 30 year old copy of Mad magazine is more than sufficient for staying abreast of current affairs.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                        My issue isn't necessarily with voting in general (though I realize that's where Lipscomb was going), it's specifically with this concept of voting for something the Christian believes to be an evil. A lesser evil maybe, but an evil all the same. In your streetcar scenario, it seems to me that we have a greater obligation not to kill an innocent person ourselves than we have to not allow an innocent person to be killed. So, in that scenario, I think the proper thing would probably be not to do anything. The world's way may be the more utilitarian way where we should kill the few in order that the many may survive, but scripture shows us time after time that when we bypass the world's way of doing things that God does greater things. I think the streetcar hypothetical is too passive though. Imagine instead you're given a gun by a psycho, and are forced to literally shoot either the mother and her two children or the 10 year old. By choosing neither, the psycho will choose for you. Would that change your answer compared to the streetcar example? I'm not culpable for what psychos do. I didn't create the system, and I'm not really in control of the runaway streetcar. My option would be to pray that God finds an alternative way, while I do everything I can on my own to stop the streetcar/psycho. Christ himself would likely rather we put ourselves in the place of the person killed.
                        Of course I would choose myself. suicide is a sin, so it would be the "lesser evil" since it would also be self-sacrifice to save others.

                        But my point is that we are all evil to some degree. The bible says so. So you are always going to choose a lesser evil over a greater one when voting. No politician is good. No human is. So if you follow Lipscomb's advice a Christian would never vote, or do anything. And that would just allow evil to flourish. I think the Holy Spirit and God's Kingdom are on this world to spread itself and hold back evil. That means we are God's agents to do good and stop evil. If you can stop a greater evil by allowing a lesser one, then you should, and then go after that lesser evil, always working toward the greater good. If you are voting between a politician who supports abortion and one who is against abortion but cheats on his taxes, I would vote for the tax cheat.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Of course I would choose myself. suicide is a sin, so it would be the "lesser evil" since it would also be self-sacrifice to save others.
                          That's not suicide. Do you feel that Jesus committed suicide and chose a lesser evil by offering himself as a sacrifice for us?

                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          But my point is that we are all evil to some degree. The bible says so. So you are always going to choose a lesser evil over a greater one when voting. No politician is good. No human is. So if you follow Lipscomb's advice a Christian would never vote, or do anything. And that would just allow evil to flourish. I think the Holy Spirit and God's Kingdom are on this world to spread itself and hold back evil. That means we are God's agents to do good and stop evil. If you can stop a greater evil by allowing a lesser one, then you should, and then go after that lesser evil, always working toward the greater good. If you are voting between a politician who supports abortion and one who is against abortion but cheats on his taxes, I would vote for the tax cheat.
                          We're all a little evil, so it's okay to choose a lesser evil? No, i don't think so.

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                          • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                            My issue isn't necessarily with voting in general (though I realize that's where Lipscomb was going), it's specifically with this concept of voting for something the Christian believes to be an evil. A lesser evil maybe, but an evil all the same. In your streetcar scenario, it seems to me that we have a greater obligation not to kill an innocent person ourselves than we have to not allow an innocent person to be killed. So, in that scenario, I think the proper thing would probably be not to do anything. The world's way may be the more utilitarian way where we should kill the few in order that the many may survive, but scripture shows us time after time that when we bypass the world's way of doing things that God does greater things. I think the streetcar hypothetical is too passive though. Imagine instead you're given a gun by a psycho, and are forced to literally shoot either the mother and her two children or the 10 year old. By choosing neither, the psycho will choose for you. Would that change your answer compared to the streetcar example? I'm not culpable for what psychos do. I didn't create the system, and I'm not really in control of the runaway streetcar. My option would be to pray that God finds an alternative way, while I do everything I can on my own to stop the streetcar/psycho. Christ himself would likely rather we put ourselves in the place of the person killed.
                            Is the option to shoot the psycho a valid option, or is the hypothetical arranged in such a way that he's untouchable?

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                            • Clinton undertook security training on how to handle classified information. She was given secure government email addresses. She was also a top leader in the US Government who dealt with secrets and security on a daily basis. She chose to use a private server. She chose to place someone incompetent in charge of it. She allowed it to be stored in an unsecure location without proper firewalls, and she sent out classified information in emails without using any encryption or even labeling the emails properly.

                              She should have known better. She did know better. She chose to ignore her training and the tools available to her and recklessly use her own server. That is the exact definition of grossly negligent.

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                              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                I miss LGM. If he could've just reined in in a tad on the blasphemy end of things, he'd still be around. Tassman can't hold a candle to LGM (or Alan, for that matter), but he's managed to toe the line enough to keep his membership.
                                It's been notoriously difficult to figure what constitutes blasphemy on TWeb. Jesus didn't exist, God was a dragon, the Bible is a wheel, David was gay, none of those tripped the meter. Now, Jesus ...

                                Personally, I try to split the difference with blasphemy, a victimless crime against a being that shouldn't need human defenders, prosecutors, judges, or executioners in any case. I think of gods as more the "I've got this" type.

                                You'll never read about Zeus asking someone else to take care of Leda.

                                LGM was on my ignore list for years, until I spotted quotes of him tearing away at the other side with undiminished vim. He wasn't just ripping on Christians, he was going after pretentiousness. Remember who went after him. The accusation was a tad too convenient. Deb and I talked about it.

                                The biggest difference between Tassman and the LGMs and Alans is that Tassman doesn't create his own material. Now I'm all for discrimination against poor art, but the criticism should be honest.


                                Alabama is voting today.

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