Roy Moore accused of sexual contact with 14-year old

[rogue06]

I did some digging. Ms. Clinton responded to this one: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...secure-channel

This apparently is yet another right-wing talking point that made a lot of hay - but there is no evidence that anything illegal was done - no indication of what was in the talking points and whether or not security was violated.

A lot of smoke - but no evidence of a fire.

If you or I had done something like this we would be in a federal prison for 5 to 10 years.

[rogue06]

Not true, Rogue. There is a high incidence of broken families, sanctuary babies, home births, and so forth among the poor.

Some of those poor would also be white, correct? And yet the left pretends this would somehow be a supposed burden only on minorities.

This isn't the 19th cent carp. Even home births of someone from a broken family get recorded. Someone, somewhere down the line has needed to produce some sort of documentation in the 18 years it took for a person to become an adult. Things may have changed but when I was a child my parents had to provide the school with a copy of a birth certificate to enroll and for several decades the government has compeled children to get Social Security cards which require documentation.

And again, I suggest how Georgia provides ID cards as a model.

Again, I will note how it is done here in Georgia.

• If you can not afford an ID, the state (taxpayers) will provide for it.
  
• If you can not make it to a licensing office then they will come to your residence.
  
• If you forgot your ID you can still vote but it will be set aside and only counted if the race is so close that these votes could make a difference (if they wouldn't then who cares?)

This way there is absolutely no excuse for not having a valid ID.

[rogue06]

All a moot point since Moore lost

[Starlight]

If you or I had done something like this we would be in a federal prison for 5 to 10 years.

It's been pretty clear for decades that the powerful in the US do not get punished like the powerless do. Consider Nixon getting pardoned, or Ollie North (obligatory video, has one swear at end) and Reagan getting away with it, or no bankers going to prison after the 2008 crisis, or none of the Bush administration going to prison for torture or war crimes...

Hillary was/is sufficiently powerful that she would have had to sell uranium to the Iranians in order to fund the Benghazi attacks in order to have a serious shot at going to jail, and even then she'd probably have gotten a pardon or a suspended sentence or her lawyers would have shredded enough documents to keep her from getting convicted...

It's possible that Mueller's investigation might finally break that American cycle of the powerful getting protected from justice. But I think it's just as likely that Trump is a case of him having gone too far and upset enough of the elites that the cocktail circuit elites in D.C. who would have normally agreed among themselves and taken it for granted that powerful people should never suffer for their crimes, might have tacitly agreed to make an exception in Trump's case because he is sufficiently annoying to them on a personal level. I'm not suggesting an explicit conspiracy, but rather a general widespread sense of agreement among the elite and powerful in D.C. of the type where everyone says "everyone I've chatted to agrees he should go down" and thus no person in any position of direct or indirect power takes any steps to prevent him going down that they might have taken in normal circumstances to help save someone they perceived as 'one of their own'. So Trump might get justice for his crimes unlike the previous Republican criminal presidents, not because the power of the elites to save their own has been defeated, but because the elites dislike him and lack the will to save him from justice.

[carpedm9587]

lol virtually the entire american political class is center left and rightfully loathed for the widespread destruction they've caused. extremes show up when the existing order is weak and corrupt, like in the Weimar republic.

Ooops - Amened the wrong post...

[carpedm9587]

If you or I had done something like this we would be in a federal prison for 5 to 10 years.

I find such "ifs" largely pointless. One side asserts them - the other side denies them - and there is no means for resolving it. So they are essentially a way each side can further entrench themselves in their existing biases.

So I have no response beyond this observation.

[Cow Poke]

Ooops - Amened the wrong post...

I'm glad I never do anything that dumb!

[carpedm9587]

Some of those poor would also be white, correct? And yet the left pretends this would somehow be a supposed burden only on minorities.

Umm.. I think I've been pretty clear - it impacts the poor, and that means it disproportionately impacts minorities because more of them are poor. I did not say it does not impact white people.

This isn't the 19th cent carp. Even home births of someone from a broken family get recorded. Someone, somewhere down the line has needed to produce some sort of documentation in the 18 years it took for a person to become an adult. Things may have changed but when I was a child my parents had to provide the school with a copy of a birth certificate to enroll and for several decades the government has compeled children to get Social Security cards which require documentation.

And again, I suggest how Georgia provides ID cards as a model.

And yet, despite your protestations, there is a vast (mostly poor) population out there that does not have Voter IDs, lacks the documentation to secure them, or the funds to pay for them. As I have noted multiple times, if the right was TRULY interested in fighting "voter fraud" (which still has not been shown to be an actual problem) AND not disenfranchise voters - there is a simple way to achieve that: put in place VoterID processes and ensure that all (or almost all) registered voters have them, THEN implement the requirement. It achieves both purposes. Yes - it may delay the VoterID law for a couple years, but since we don't have any evidence this is actually a statistically significant problem, that should not matter.

The fact that this approach is rejected is, to me, an indication that there is another agenda at work. Since the current process disadvantages more Democrats than Republicans - it appears to be a strategic move to improve prospects at the polls. I consider that unethical, unamerican, and unpatriotic.

[carpedm9587]

I'm glad I never do anything that dumb!

Worse yet, it was a Darth Executor rant...

You can't delete that "amen" for me, can you?

[Cow Poke]

Worse yet, it was a Darth Executor rant...

You can't delete that "amen" for me, can you?

Those are recorded forever for posterity.

Mine usually happen when I'm trying to report a post - like something that contains the F-bomb - and I try to click the "report" function, and click "amen" by accident. They need a "Are you SURE" box after I click "amen", then another one that says "are you REALLY sure?"

The best you can do is leave a post admitting your error, and leave it at that.

[carpedm9587]

Those are recorded forever for posterity.

Mine usually happen when I'm trying to report a post - like something that contains the F-bomb - and I try to click the "report" function, and click "amen" by accident. They need a "Are you SURE" box after I click "amen", then another one that says "are you REALLY sure?"

The best you can do is leave a post admitting your error, and leave it at that.

Such is life.

My thinks the amen will be lost in the dustbin of the Internet ere long!

[Cow Poke]

Such is life.

My thinks the amen will be lost in the dustbin of the Internet ere long!

EGGzackly. But you're not the serial offender I am!

[carpedm9587]

EGGzackly. But you're not the serial offender I am!

Wow I've never met a serial amener before...

[Sparko]

Meanwhile, voter ID laws are most likely (again shown to be true) to disenfranchise the poor and ethnic minorities because they are the ones more likely to lack the base documentation (e.g., birth certificates, etc.). And these groups are known to vote heavily Democratic. While it makes sense that a party would do everything it legally can to ensure a win, disenfranchising voters is simply unethical and unpatriotic. Unlike many on the left, I do not apply the term "racist" because I do not believe the strategy is driven by a desire to target black and other minority people. But that is its unintended effect, in the general cause of suppressing the Democratic vote.

4 minutes. Watch it.

[Adrift]

4 minutes. Watch it.

I'm having deja vu all over again.