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Roy Moore accused of sexual contact with 14-year old
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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostFrankenstein
Hillary never got denounced en masse by DemocratsRemember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI find that difficult to believe. I mean, if Hillary didn't have too much baggage to be her party's standard bearer....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn light of the fact that by all accounts Moore sought the permission of the families before dating the young women and carried himself like a gentleman, it would seem the answer is yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that a 30+ y.o. man, who was put on a watch-list in a mall for attempting to pick up teenage girls, went to the parents cap in hand to ask permission to date their 14 y.o. or 16 y.o. daughter? Just image the conversation: “And where exactly did you meet our little girl?”?
It's as simple as Franken was busted with irrefutable proof of his guilt while there is not a shed of credible evidence against Moore. Why should Moore apologize for something he never did? And why isn't Franken being forced to resign in disgrace for something he undeniably did?
I love liberal "consistency".“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAre you seriously suggesting that a 30+ y.o. man, who was put on a watch-list in a mall for attempting to pick up teenage girls
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostAnti-semitic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sad!"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostBy “all what accounts”, Breitbart?
Are you seriously suggesting that a 30+ y.o. man, who was put on a watch-list in a mall for attempting to pick up teenage girls, went to the parents cap in hand to ask permission to date their 14 y.o. or 16 y.o. daughter? Just image the conversation: “And where exactly did you meet our little girl?”?
Actually, I think Franken should resign and so should Moore if only in the interests of their parties. The latter has shown himself to be a self-centred man prone to judge others whilst exonerating himself. But hey, he’s against homosexuality and abortion and likes to place Ten Commandments on public property, so he can do whatever he likes, right? Like the self admitted sexual predator Donald Trump!
It was the young women themselves and their families who said that Moore sought the permission of the mothers before he started dating them. Breitbart has reported these facts, naturally, but so have other publications. Of course it probably wasn't reported at the sorts of places frequented by a fake news connoisseur like yourself.
Glad to see you agree that Franken should resign, but how could you dispute it when there is a picture of the sleaze literally caught in the act? Still, it puts you ahead of some other liberals who look at that picture and inexplicably say, "We shouldn't jump to conclusions." As for Moore, the accusations are unsubstantiated at best and lack credibility.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWeren't children were expected to care for their parents in their old age?
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt seems to me that your admission regarding the Protoevangelium rather vitiates the preceding claim. IIRC, Mary's perpetual virginity was vigorously defended at least as early as Jerome (and was widely held even by Protestants into the 19th century).
I get the feeling that it's the Orthodox view that Joseph was previously married with children, so you sort of feel you must tow the denominational line, is that correct? For the record, I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility, but I don't think there's as much going for it as the idea that Joseph and Mary had other children.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYeah.Last edited by Adrift; 11-18-2017, 11:36 PM.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI wouldn't expect to see a difference because I don't believe anything would exist at all.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI wonder if you see the possibility that this God came from you. If not, why is that impossible? Did God make man or did man make God or the gods? Which is more likely? How would you make that assessment?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo evidence that Moore was ever put on a "watch list" at the local mall. That's "a friend of a friend knew a guy who said" style BS. It's ironic how you mock my preferred sources when you routinely fall for every bit of fake news that happens to pass under your nose. I guess that's what happens when your favorite sources come with crayons and a gumball.
https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/ro...ng-teen-girls/
It was the young women themselves and their families who said that Moore sought the permission of the mothers before he started dating them. Breitbart has reported these facts, naturally, but so have other publications. Of course it probably wasn't reported at the sorts of places frequented by a fake news connoisseur like yourself.
Glad to see you agree that Franken should resign, but how could you dispute it when there is a picture of the sleaze literally caught in the act? Still, it puts you ahead of some other liberals who look at that picture and inexplicably say, "We shouldn't jump to conclusions."
As for Moore, the accusations are unsubstantiated at best and lack credibility.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostWell, I mean, unless I'm a time traveler he definitely didn't come from me.
How do you know that your God is not your very own myth?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI am just considering possibilities. Do you know what a myth is? Do you know about mythical gods?
How do you know that your God is not your very own myth?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post“Mall officials told us they are not in possession of records that would identify who was banned in the late 1970s and 1980s. A Gadsden Mall spokeswoman told us: The report, however, is based on sources recalling a rumor, in some cases. Those rumors have been corroborated by news reports of accusations leveled at Moore by at least nine women who were in their teens and twenties at the time.”
https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/ro...ng-teen-girls/
Oh really! It seems highly improbable to me that parents would approve their young teenage daughters going on a date with a 30+ y.o. man.
The picture was intended as a joke...admittedly one in bad taste. Interesting that self-confessed sexual predator Trump implied the hypothetical existence of pictures 3, 4 and 5 with the hands moving elsewhere over the body etc. What a dirty mind that man has.
The Moore allegations do not lack credibility, any more than the 13 allegations against Trump do. Why wouldn’t you believe the victims?
What's even funnier is that Snopes links to a Breitbart story where the mall's former manager flatly denies that Moore was ever banned, which Snopes tries to weakly downplay by saying that "a former mall worker ... believes she got Moore banned by complaining to her manager". Of course she's free to believe whatever she likes, but she's wrong, because the mall manager himself says that Moore was never banned.
So why don't I believe the supposed "victims"? Because their stories lack credibility. In the case of Trump's accusers, every one of their stories fell apart after the lightest scrutiny, and the same thing is happening with Moore's accusers. As the saying goes, every victim has a right to be believed, but that doesn't mean we should believe everybody who claims to be a victim.
Now if we had a picture of Moore literally caught in the act, like the "honorable" Al Frankenstein, then it would be a different matter.Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-19-2017, 09:09 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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