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    from the article....

    'This guy is crazy'


    Crazy people should not have guns.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        from the article....

        'This guy is crazy'


        Crazy people should not have guns.
        Right, and he recently was arrested for stabbing someone. His firearms should have been confiscated at that point.



        California gunman was out on bail for stabbing neighbor

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        • #5
          We need to ban crazy people who go on rampages.

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          • #6
            Why don’t you guys enforce the gun laws already in place? What possible reason is there? Why aren’t the proverbial heads rolling?

            Almost every time this happens, the shooter should have had his guns and liscence taken away, but didn’t. Why aren’t the people in charge of this held to account?

            This goes back through many administrations, so it isn’t a purely dem/prepug thing?

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            • #7
              Theoretically the laws already in place- so I am told- should stop most of this happening. Why haven’t they?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                Theoretically the laws already in place- so I am told- should stop most of this happening. Why haven’t they?
                Lots of assumptions here, not the least of which is that there is often "somebody who should have said something", but didn't want to appear like a nut, or didn't want the personal attention.

                The old "if you see something, say something" really should be encouraged.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Lots of assumptions here, not the least of which is that there is often "somebody who should have said something", but didn't want to appear like a nut, or didn't want the personal attention.

                  The old "if you see something, say something" really should be encouraged.
                  But he was apparently recently arrested for stabbing someone (according to a post above). That puts him in the system, rather than a ‘good samaritan’ saying something as you suggest.

                  Surely the next logical step after being found guilty of a physical attack is to make sure you now have your gun rights revoked? Or is that not how it works?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                    But he was apparently recently arrested for stabbing someone (according to a post above). That puts him in the system, rather than a ‘good samaritan’ saying something as you suggest.
                    Yes, this guy even exceeded the "see something - say something" bar.

                    Surely the next logical step after being found guilty of a physical attack is to make sure you now have your gun rights revoked? Or is that not how it works?
                    There is the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban which, upon conviction, makes it illegal for the convicted person to own or even handle firearms. That doesn't prevent the person from obtaining them. It simply makes it illegal.

                    At that point, maybe we come back to "see something - say something". Somebody who knows he should not have weapons should report that.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                      Why don’t you guys enforce the gun laws already in place? What possible reason is there? Why aren’t the proverbial heads rolling?

                      Almost every time this happens, the shooter should have had his guns and liscence taken away, but didn’t. Why aren’t the people in charge of this held to account?

                      This goes back through many administrations, so it isn’t a purely dem/prepug thing?
                      exactly. It's almost like they don't really give a crap about fixing the problem because the problem gives them talking points to make it seem like they are doing something but aren't and keeps them in office, huh?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                        But he was apparently recently arrested for stabbing someone (according to a post above). That puts him in the system, rather than a ‘good samaritan’ saying something as you suggest.

                        Surely the next logical step after being found guilty of a physical attack is to make sure you now have your gun rights revoked? Or is that not how it works?
                        The problem being this guy had not been convicted. Being accused is not the same as being guilty.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          The problem being this guy had not been convicted. Being accused is not the same as being guilty.


                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          There is the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban which, upon conviction...
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                            Why don’t you guys enforce the gun laws already in place? What possible reason is there? Why aren’t the proverbial heads rolling?

                            Almost every time this happens, the shooter should have had his guns and liscence taken away, but didn’t. Why aren’t the people in charge of this held to account?

                            This goes back through many administrations, so it isn’t a purely dem/prepug thing?
                            The 'enforce what's on the books' talking point exaggerates the problem by noting every law on the books - and not bothering to mention that they aren't in effect in every jurisdiction. This is because America has over 20,000 governments - cities, townships and school districts all count in addition to state and Federal. It confuses people here - the real issue is with Federal gun control, not mere gun control.

                            The Federal advantage is that it applies everywhere. The incorporation of the Second makes it extremely unlikely that a Federal law will get passed (why bother if the Court is going to overturn it?).

                            So, in answer to your question, the laws may not have been in place (I do not know - I haven't researched the jurisdiction). They may not have been enforced (I don't know - I don't know that it was possible - enforcement is usually penal, not preemptive). Or the guy may have obeyed the law right up until he started shooting.

                            Only if enforcement should have occurred and didn't do we need to see heads doing anything proverbial.

                            It's not a party thing or a lib/conservative thing. It's a confused mess thing.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                              But he was apparently recently arrested for stabbing someone (according to a post above). That puts him in the system, rather than a ‘good samaritan’ saying something as you suggest.

                              Surely the next logical step after being found guilty of a physical attack is to make sure you now have your gun rights revoked? Or is that not how it works?
                              Arrest is not conviction - you've got the horse behind the cart here.

                              However, there is a question of what he was doing out - he stabbed someone and was given bail. Why?
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