Should Al Franken Resign?

[lilpixieofterror]

I'm confused as to how you think your statement is amusing.

Of course I'm serious. Republicans elected Trump and seem to be about to elect Moore. Whereas Democrats are condemning those accused of sexual assault by multiple people.

[Mountain Man]

Yeah, apart from the dozens of accusers and witnesses of Trump's misdeeds, it's not like Trump admitted to sexual assault on tape... oh wait, he did.
The picture of Franken is largely irrelevant in the charges against him.
Conyers I haven't been following.
With Moore, he seems to be proven more guilty by the day. The number of witnesses and accusers keeps growing and keep being corroborated. And the ongoing sad attempts by your Breitbart colleagues to exonerate him and those by the idiots at Project Veritas, have not managed to salvage it, other than prove you guys are utterly morally depraved and will deceive and smear in order to try to defend a man guilty of multiple sexual assaults and sexual activity with underage girls, just because he's on your "side". How do you live with yourself?

Trump never admitted assault, dumbass. He was generally describing a consensual act and not any specific incident. Yes, he had lots of accusers, but not a single one of their stories were corroborated, and many of the stories included false details,

For Moore, there are only two accusations that matter, and both those are full of so many holes and discrepancies that they're almost certainly false. The rest of his so-called "accusers" say that he took them on dates and behaved like a gentleman. Furthermore, other claims promoted by the media, like Moore being banned from a local mall, or that local police were told to keep an eye on him at highschool events, have been proven false.

The picture of Franken groping a sleeping woman is irrelevant to the charges that he has sexually assaulted women? Yeah, OK.

Conyers took advantage of a Congressional slush fund to pay off his victims with tax payer money and slap them with a gag order so they couldn't go public with their stories. Let's put it this way: he didn't resign because he was innocent.

[seer]

There's no way he'd be a viable candidate in today's environment due to precisely this issue.

That is crap, just last year many of these very Dems condemning Franken were side by side with old Bill helping Hillary. Not only that - Hillary attacked Bill's accusers time and time again - the Dems had no problem supporting her. For instance:

[Roy]

Furthermore, other claims promoted by the media, like Moore being banned from a local mall, or that local police were told to keep an eye on him at highschool events, have been proven false.

Exactly how has that been proven false? It may be not proven true; it may be lacking evidence; it may be based on unreliable testimony; it might be considered false; it might be full of so many holes and discrepancies that it is almost certainly false; there may even be evidence that suggests that it is false. But I cannot think of a way in which it might be proven false.

You are overstating the case.

[Mountain Man]

Exactly how has that been proven false? It may be not proven true; it may be lacking evidence; it may be based on unreliable testimony; it might be considered false; it might be full of so many holes and discrepancies that it is almost certainly false; there may even be evidence that suggests that it is false. But I cannot think of a way in which it might be proven false.

You are overstating the case.

The mall claim was proven false when the former mall manager said it was false.

The claim that local police were instructed to keep an eye on Moore at local high school games was proven false when the police officer who made the claim admitted that she couldn't substantiate a word of it.

It's ridiculous to try and split hairs between "false" and "not proven true" in this instance. But then, you do have a well-deserved reputation for nitpicking.

[One Bad Pig]

You think the Republicans are pure, undiluted evil and the Democrats are perfect angels? Dude, come on. It's not that black and white, either way.

Starlight only prefers Democrats because they're slightly to the left of Republicans. Most of them are far too right-wing for his taste.

[Cow Poke]

Bill.Clinton.

It is interesting to watch the democrats try to convince that, given this same 'national attitude', Clinton would have been impeached and gone.

[RumTumTugger]

It is interesting to watch the democrats try to convince that, given this same 'national attitude', Clinton would have been impeached and gone.

and also not surprising that Starlight falls for it all.

[Roy]

The mall claim was proven false when the former mall manager said it was false.

So some-one saying that Moore was not banned is, for you, enough to prove that Moore was not banned.

But some-one saying that Moore was banned is not enough to prove that Moore was banned.

Thanks for confirming that when you say something is a "proven" fact it means absolutely nothing.

[One Bad Pig]

So some-one saying that Moore was not banned is, for you, enough to prove that Moore was not banned.

But some-one saying that Moore was banned is not enough to prove that Moore was banned.

Thanks for confirming that when you say something is a "proven" fact it means absolutely nothing.

When the some-one who denies the banning would be the person most in the position to know, that's about as close as you're going to get to proving a negative.

Thanks for confirming that you're willing to appear incapable of weighing the merits of the people on either side of the allegation in order to score cheap debate points.

[Mountain Man]

So some-one saying that Moore was not banned is, for you, enough to prove that Moore was not banned.

It's not just "someone", you idiot, it's the former manager of the place Moore was supposedly banned from -- in other words, a witness you would expect to be conversant with the facts -- saying that Moore was, in fact, not banned. That carries a lot more weight than the idle rumors and "a friend of friend" stories used to promote this false narrative.

[Cow Poke]

Exactly how has that been proven false? It may be not proven true; it may be lacking evidence; it may be based on unreliable testimony; it might be considered false; it might be full of so many holes and discrepancies that it is almost certainly false; there may even be evidence that suggests that it is false. But I cannot think of a way in which it might be proven false.

You are overstating the case.

While technically true, I think this is really picking of nit. If I claim that the manager of the local Burger King threw you out because you exposed yourself, and the local manager, when confronted with that allegation, says "I don't remember any such incident", it is, for all intents and purposes, 'proven false'. My claim could reasonably be rejected. For me to sustain my claim, I'd have to find more evidence, like a police report or eye witnesses, etc.

[Cow Poke]

It's not just "someone", you idiot, it's the former manager of the place Moore was supposedly banned from -- in other words, a witness you would expect to be conversant with the facts -- saying that Moore was, in fact, not banned. That carries a lot more weight than the idle rumors and "a friend of friend" stories used to promote this false narrative.

Unless, of course, that former manager voted for Trump, then he's a lying sack of beetle poop and can't be trusted, and is part of the grand conspiracy.

[carpedm9587]

Unless, of course, that former manager voted for Trump, then he's a lying sack of beetle poop and can't be trusted, and is part of the grand conspiracy.

Or unless the former mall manager is a Moore supporter...
Or unless Brietbart is simply regurgitating a local news story...
Or ...

(https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/ro...ng-teen-girls/)

There is enough smoke thrown up over this whole thing that I cannot say I have any idea WHAT to believe about whom anymore - and I am VERY careful these days about letting my political bias color my conclusions. Even Snopes won't come down on one side or the other.

We have a lot of he said/she said, and people seem to be picking the he/she that aligns with what they want to be true, IMO.

[One Bad Pig]

Or unless the former mall manager is a Moore supporter...
Or unless Brietbart is simply regurgitating a local news story...
Or ...

(https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/ro...ng-teen-girls/)

There is enough smoke thrown up over this whole thing that I cannot say I have any idea WHAT to believe about whom anymore - and I am VERY careful these days about letting my political bias color my conclusions. Even Snopes won't come down on one side or the other.

We have a lot of he said/she said, and people seem to be picking the he/she that aligns with what they want to be true, IMO.

Snopes is notoriously pro-Democrat. If Snopes is hedging, then odds are decent that there is indeed sufficient evidence to exonerate Moore on this charge, and they just can't bring themselves to admit it.