Should Al Franken Resign?

[Starlight]

Could have something to do with your extreme left bias and prejudice.

Seems pretty doubtful as two of the friends who have come to the same view as me and left (one being Sam, the other's username here I don't recall from years ago) were relatively centrist and didn't subscribe to my political views. Jaecp I guess you could argue was 'extreme left' in the sense that he was/is a committed democrat/progressive.

I think it's just you guys. I don't have these kinds of issues on other sites.

[carpedm9587]

Because over the years I have developed an extremely low opinion of the vast majority of conservative posters on this forum. I generally do not feel there is anything to be gained from interacting with them. Most of the friends I have had who posted in this forum felt the same way and have long since left, and occasionally ask me what is wrong with me for continuing to engage. The relatively few good faith/intelligent posters in this forum like yourself, Leonhard, Jim, Tass, SoR etc are not enough to salvage a forum that mostly serves as a slime pit for the dregs of humanity.

But I find US politics and the US religious conservative mindset fascinating to follow, because they are sooo much more crazy than in any other developed country I know of.

Interesting. I don't share your perspective. Yes, there are some extreme-right views here, and there is a tendency for many here to quickly engage in denigration and ridicule rather than respectful, civil discourse. But I consider that their problem, not mine. If I find an exchange unpleasant - I'll disengage - with or without telling people why I am disengaging (usually with).

Meanwhile, how a person chooses to engage reflects on them - not on me. The only thing that can reflect on me is how I engage. I think that was captured in a statement attributed to Jesus of Nazareth (sort of - and I paraphrase), "nothing a man puts into his mouth can defile him - only what comes out." Likewise, nothing another man (or woman) says can defile me - only what I say and do.

If you came here with the agenda of changing points of view here - then perhaps you came here with the wrong agenda. I came to listen and understand, and to test my own belief system and see if it holds up under scrutiny. I also came to try to make sure I am not only listening to echoes of my own beliefs in a bubble or echo chamber of my own creation. I do not start with the assumption that the people here who think differently than I are "bad" or "evil." Most people, in my experience, are good. They hold their views out of an honest desire to do what is right. I may disagree that they are actually DOING right (in some cases), but I don't question their base motivations.

I hope you find a new venue that is more to your taste. It sounds like this one was not a good fit.

[Cow Poke]

Seems pretty doubtful as two of the friends who have come to the same view as me and left (one being Sam, the other's username here I don't recall from years ago) were relatively centrist and didn't subscribe to my political views. Jaecp I guess you could argue was 'extreme left' in the sense that he was/is a committed democrat/progressive.

I think it's just you guys. I don't have these kinds of issues on other sites.

OK

[Starlight]

If I find an exchange unpleasant - I'll disengage - with or without telling people why I am disengaging (usually with).

That is my usual strategy, and my experience of using it in this forum is that it leads to people here coming to believe they "won" the discussion and that you "couldn't answer" their arguments.

If you came here with the agenda of changing points of view here - then perhaps you came here with the wrong agenda. I came to listen and understand, and to test my own belief system and see if it holds up under scrutiny. I also came to try to make sure I am not only listening to echoes of my own beliefs in a bubble or echo chamber of my own creation.

I came largely for the reason of seeking to listen and understand whether the perspective of US religious conservatives I was getting from the variety of media I was consuming was accurate. To ensure I wasn't in a bubble as you put it. Sadly my overall findings have been that the media sources paint a far too rosy picture of these people.

I do not start with the assumption that the people here who think differently than I are "bad" or "evil." Most people, in my experience, are good. They hold their views out of an honest desire to do what is right.

I used to believe that. Sadly years on this forum have slowly taught me differently. I've slowly learned it's not always accurate to project my good-faith intent, honesty, or morality, onto others.

[Adrift]

Interesting. I don't share your perspective. Yes, there are some extreme-right views here, and there is a tendency for many here to quickly engage in denigration and ridicule rather than respectful, civil discourse. But I consider that their problem, not mine. If I find an exchange unpleasant - I'll disengage - with or without telling people why I am disengaging (usually with).

Meanwhile, how a person chooses to engage reflects on them - not on me. The only thing that can reflect on me is how I engage. I think that was captured in a statement attributed to Jesus of Nazareth (sort of - and I paraphrase), "nothing a man puts into his mouth can defile him - only what comes out." Likewise, nothing another man (or woman) says can defile me - only what I say and do.

If you came here with the agenda of changing points of view here - then perhaps you came here with the wrong agenda. I came to listen and understand, and to test my own belief system and see if it holds up under scrutiny. I also came to try to make sure I am not only listening to echoes of my own beliefs in a bubble or echo chamber of my own creation. I do not start with the assumption that the people here who think differently than I are "bad" or "evil." Most people, in my experience, are good. They hold their views out of an honest desire to do what is right. I may disagree that they are actually DOING right (in some cases), but I don't question their base motivations.

I hope you find a new venue that is more to your taste. It sounds like this one was not a good fit.

He rage flounced a couple months ago, and not for the first time if memory serves. He only recently started re-posting in the last week (although OBP pointed out that he's been lurking the forum just about everyday). For a little background on Starlight, he's about as disrespectful and discourteous at they come around here. He regularly talks down to posters, has stated a number of times that he thinks that just about everyone here are idiots, degenerates, scum, evil, and completely beneath him, while bragging about his own intelligence, how well read he is, how he once wrote a book, and how all his friends agree with him, proving how smart he is. He also holds insane positions on a number of issues that are so horrendous that even his nearest acquaintances on this website squick at. So, for instance, he believes that infanticide is morally justifiable, and is okay with the "post-birth abortion" of children as old as three, he agrees with Peter Singer that there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality as long as no harm comes to the animal, he's supported offering pedophiles pedophile porn, and explained to the forum once that US conservatives were prudes for not exposing children to co-ed nudity in mix gender showers.

Dude's got some...issues.

[Teallaura]

So the question is, are liquored up people more willing to vote liberal, or conservative?

They mostly vote drunk.

[Teallaura]

"She could be remembering wrong"? Why no equivalent "he could be remembering wrong"?

Already addressed - we aren't going to agree on this one.

[carpedm9587]

He rage flounced a couple months ago, and not for the first time if memory serves. He only recently started re-posting in the last week (although OBP pointed out that he's been lurking the forum just about everyday). For a little background on Starlight, he's about as disrespectful and discourteous at they come around here. He regularly talks down to posters, has stated a number of times that he thinks that just about everyone here are idiots, degenerates, scum, evil, and completely beneath him, while bragging about his own intelligence, how well read he is, how he once wrote a book, and how all his friends agree with him, proving how smart he is. He also holds insane positions on a number of issues that are so horrendous that even his nearest acquaintances on this website squick at. So, for instance, he believes that infanticide is morally justifiable, and is okay with the "post-birth abortion" of children as old as three, he agrees with Peter Singer that there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality as long as no harm comes to the animal, he's supported offering pedophiles pedophile porn, and explained to the forum once that US conservatives were prudes for not exposing children to co-ed nudity in mix gender showers.

Dude's got some...issues.

Hmmm...I think I had better stay mum on this one...I'm likely to start a riot...

[Cow Poke]

He rage flounced a couple months ago, and not for the first time if memory serves. He only recently started re-posting in the last week (although OBP pointed out that he's been lurking the forum just about everyday). For a little background on Starlight, he's about as disrespectful and discourteous at they come around here. He regularly talks down to posters, has stated a number of times that he thinks that just about everyone here are idiots, degenerates, scum, evil, and completely beneath him, while bragging about his own intelligence, how well read he is, how he once wrote a book, and how all his friends agree with him, proving how smart he is. He also holds insane positions on a number of issues that are so horrendous that even his nearest acquaintances on this website squick at. So, for instance, he believes that infanticide is morally justifiable, and is okay with the "post-birth abortion" of children as old as three, he agrees with Peter Singer that there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality as long as no harm comes to the animal, he's supported offering pedophiles pedophile porn, and explained to the forum once that US conservatives were prudes for not exposing children to co-ed nudity in mix gender showers.

And those are his GOOD points!

[Starlight]

Hmmm...I think I had better stay mum on this one...I'm likely to start a riot...

Btw I have Adrift on ignore because I got annoyed at his constant misrepresentations of others so I don't see his posts. The part of his post I can see in your post contains multiple false statements about me as per usual. Unless you wish to ask me about a particular issue, I won't bother to issue a long list of corrections to his post.

[Cow Poke]

Btw I have Adrift on ignore because I got annoyed at his constant misrepresentations of others so I don't see his posts. The part of his post I can see in your post contains multiple false statements about me as per usual. Unless you wish to ask me about a particular issue, I won't bother to issue a long list of corrections to his post.

Aw, come on, it'd be fun to watch!

[carpedm9587]

Btw I have Adrift on ignore because I got annoyed at his constant misrepresentations of others so I don't see his posts. The part of his post I can see in your post contains multiple false statements about me as per usual. Unless you wish to ask me about a particular issue, I won't bother to issue a long list of corrections to his post.

So the five positions he attributed to you - are they correct?

[One Bad Pig]

Btw I have Adrift on ignore because I got annoyed at his constant misrepresentations of others so I don't see his posts. The part of his post I can see in your post contains multiple false statements about me as per usual. Unless you wish to ask me about a particular issue, I won't bother to issue a long list of corrections to his post.

You have Adrift on ignore because he drives you crazy, and you have no good answer for him.

On the other hand, I think you're the only poster who actually makes him lose his cool, which is saying something.

[Teallaura]

34% Reporting:
Moore 52%
Jones 46%

[Cow Poke]

Roy Moore leads by 3 percentage points over Doug Jones with 48 percent of precincts fully reporting.