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  • #76
    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

    I HATE you all!
    Unpossible

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      All the liberals saying that Leean Tweeden has accepted Franken's apology, and so we should all just forget the whole thing, a recent radio interview sure doesn't make it sound like she's accepted it. She describes him as "relentless" and compares him to Harvey Weinsten:

      Source: Breitbart

      "And he actually got more … as I tell this, I’m getting worked up and I’m shaking … as he — it reminded me, remember when we played the Harvey Weinstein — when the girl in New York actually wore the wire and we listened to him, and the only audio we heard of Harvey Weinstein and he was very aggressive and very relentless …

      "Yes, it was relentless, that’s what I could hear in his voice. He started getting relentless, and I’m like, why is he insisting that we have to rehearse the damn kiss?"

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...in-relentless/

      © Copyright Original Source


      Remember, Franken never apologized for the kiss or for harassing Tweeden throughout the rest of trip. In fact, he never even denied it. In his Facebook "apology", he wrote, "I don't remember the rehearsal for the skit as Leeann does." Yeah, I bet he doesn't remember it the way she does.
      You should never trust Breitbart, MM. I watched the extended i/v with Tweeden on CNN and she said very humbly and with great grace that she accepted Franken's apology.

      "Tweeden has accepted Franken's apology, and told Tapper she believes the senator's apology is "heartfelt."

      http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/16/po...ead/index.html

      We're still waiting for Moore's apology. And Trump's apology to the 19 women who accused him.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • #78
        On the radio this morning during the news they played someone saying that since Franken's national aspirations are now toast that should be sufficient.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          On the radio this morning during the news they played someone saying that since Franken's national aspirations are now toast that should be sufficient.
          In a party where a man guilty of negligent homicide was later a serious contender for his party's presidential nomination, and was lionized in his later years and after his death?
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            You should never trust Breitbart, MM. I watched the extended i/v with Tweeden on CNN and she said very humbly and with great grace that she accepted Franken's apology.
            I have no doubt whatsoever that Franken is sincerely sorry he got caught, and was stupid enough to pose for the incriminating photo. Doesn't change who he is.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              In a party where a man guilty of negligent homicide was later a serious contender for his party's presidential nomination, and was lionized in his later years and after his death?
              Ah yes, the "Lion of the Senate," Ted Kennedy -- who's sexual antics were well known and generally applauded by the fawning MSM. GQ magazine recently reprinted an article about his debauchery originally published back in 1990 which includes the infamous "waitress sandwich" incident involving both Kennedy and fellow senator Chris Dodd, where they assaulted a waitress, Carla Gaviglio, while their dates ("two very young blondes") were in the bathroom.

              The article chronicles several similar incidents at the same restaurant in subsequent years.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                I have no doubt whatsoever that Franken is sincerely sorry he got caught, and was stupid enough to pose for the incriminating photo. Doesn't change who he is.
                The same Al Franken who seemed obsessed about enacting out a rape fantasy of his involving Leslie Stahl on Saturday Night Live for which his later apology proved to be total bovine scat.
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                right. and if Moore apologized and said he was sorry the whole mess would be called off and he could run for Senator, right? HA. You know that if he admitted that he did what they say and said he was sorry, they would just go after him harder.

                Besides, why can we trust that Franken actually means his apology? He has a long history of inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment. When called out on it in the past he apologized but then later in his own book he said that he only apologized to get more votes and he wasn't sorry at all.



                Despite his apology, Democratic Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota isn’t sorry for a making a rape joke about Lesley Stahl during the 1994-1995 season of “Saturday Night Live.”

                The former comedian published a memoir-style book May 30 in which he reveals that he’s not sorry for any of the crude jokes he made during his long career as a screenwriter.

                “To say I was sorry for writing a joke was to sell out my career, to sell out who I’d been my entire life,” Franken wrote in his book, according to the New York Times. “And I wasn’t sorry that I had written Porn-o-Rama or pitched that stupid Lesley Stahl joke at 2 in the morning. I was just doing my job.

                “I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then, when Lesley’s passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her. When she passes out, I put her in various positions and take pictures of her,” Franken joked while working as a writer for SNL.

                Franken added that he publicly apologized for the jokes after it became clear they bothered women voters in the state of Minnesota. “I learned that campaigns have their own rules, they own laws of physics, and that if I wasn’t willing to accept that, I would never get to be a senator,” Franken said.

                His apology paid off. Franken defeated the Republican incumbent by only 300 votes in 2008, an astoundingly close race for a Senate seat. He earned a much wider margin in his reelection effort in the Republican “surge” of 2014.

                http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/12/al...pologized-for/

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                  You should never trust Breitbart, MM. I watched the extended i/v with Tweeden on CNN and she said very humbly and with great grace that she accepted Franken's apology.

                  "Tweeden has accepted Franken's apology, and told Tapper she believes the senator's apology is "heartfelt."

                  http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/16/po...ead/index.html

                  We're still waiting for Moore's apology. And Trump's apology to the 19 women who accused him.
                  It's not Breitbart. The quote was from Ms. Tweeden herself. Remember, Franken never apologized for forcibly kissing her against her will! He handwaved it away without actually denying it. And besides, it doesn't matter if he apologized or if she accepted it or not, the picture should be enough on its own to force him to resign in disgrace. Would you be so forgiving if it was a conservative in that picture?

                  And you think Moore and Trump should apologize for something they never did? I love how liberals think that someone who apologizes after getting caught is somehow morally superior to someone who is innocent.
                  Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-18-2017, 09:30 AM.
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                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Should Al Franken resign? Included in the link is a picture Franken feeling up Leeann when she was sleeping...
                    IMO, no. He has apologized, he has called for an investigation on himself. I think those things should play out and see what surfaces, and then voters should be given a chance to vote him in or out. If voters feel strongly enough, a recall vote can happen. If the Senate feels strongly enough, they can remove him. But if someone acknowledges error and looks to make things right, I see no reason to push it further.

                    My problem with Clinton (both), Moore, and Trump (to name a few) is that they not only denied the events occurred (and I have no way of knowing if they did or didn't), but then went on the attack to discredit the women accusing them. All three men (and many others) have enough history to make me strongly suspect that the accusations against them are most likely true (Clinton and Monica, as well as an extensive history of womanizing; Moore and a wide range of people coming out of the woodwork about his proclivities in his 30s, plus his "my way dominates" approach to everything; and Trump and the tape of his sexual boasting, his marital history, his language in multiple interviews, and the wide range of people testifying to his behavior). I would not (and did not) vote for any of them. Of course, I can't vote for Moore from Vermont!

                    But despite my suspicions, the reality is I do not know what happened - on either side. And I recognize the incredible harm done to the accuser by denying the truth of the claim if the abuse did indeed happen, and the incredible harm done to the accused by accepting the truth of the claim if the abuse did NOT happen. It's a difficult he/she said situation. I would hope we would not line up behind our partisan banners, and simply assume innocence if Democrat and guilt if Republican, or the reverse.

                    I do have to note that, when Trump was shown to have used completely unacceptable language about women, and boasted of doing even worse than Franken has been accused of doing, when he apologized, the right came to his defense and noted the need to forgive someone who acknowledges error as "the Christian way." Now we have a man who is doing the same thing - apologizing for his behavior and asking to have his actions investigated. So what happened to forgiveness when someone acknowledges error and seeks to make right?
                    Last edited by carpedm9587; 11-18-2017, 10:56 AM.
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                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      IMO, no. He has apologized, he has called for an investigation on himself. I think those things should play out and see what surfaces, and then voters should be given a chance to vote him in or out. If voters feel strongly enough, a recall vote can happen. If the Senate feels strongly enough, they can remove him. But if someone acknowledges error and looks to make things right, I see no reason to push it further.
                      Even a number of liberals have noted that a Senate investigation like this can be little more than a cynical ploy to delay everything until it hopefully blows over.

                      Further, he appears only to be admitting to what is impossible to be denied -- the photographic evidence. AFAICT he still denies badgering Tweeden into kissing him ostensibly for rehearsing a scene and then ramming his tongue into her mouth.

                      ETA: And let's not forget that he has admitted that his past "apologies" were bogus and only for political expedience.
                      Last edited by rogue06; 11-18-2017, 11:29 AM.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Further, he appears only to be admitting to what is impossible to be denied -- the photographic evidence.
                        EGGzackly - so he cops to what can not be denied, and the liberals fall all over themselves absolving him of anything further!
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                          IMO, no. He has apologized, he has called for an investigation on himself.
                          That's just ridiculous. Either he did the things he's accused of, or he didn't, and if he really is guilty of the things he's accused of and feels remorse over them he should just come clean and admit them, without the theatrics of an investigation.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Even a number of liberals have noted that a Senate investigation like this can be little more than a cynical ploy to delay everything until it hopefully blows over.

                            Further, he appears only to be admitting to what is impossible to be denied -- the photographic evidence. AFAICT he still denies badgering Tweeden into kissing him ostensibly for rehearsing a scene and then ramming his tongue into her mouth.
                            His comment was that he remembered the scenario differently, and he apologized for the image. At no point did he ridicule her, and he acknowledged her feelings about the situation were paramount. I was not there - so I am not in a position to judge a he-said, she-said situation. I would suggest none of us are.

                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            ETA: And let's not forget that he has admitted that his past "apologies" were bogus and only for political expedience.
                            And that makes Franken the first politician to say expedient things in political office? And does his recognition that his new role required a new look at the situation necessary imply that he didn't mean the apology? And does that mean we can we likewise assume that, when Trump was found on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women, and then apologized for it, only to then dismiss it as "locker room talk," we can apply the same standard you are applying to Franken?

                            In my experience - these days people seem to defend those in their own political party - or aligned with their political views - and decry someone in the other party - even if it means taking inconsistent positions. It would be nice if we could be consistent.
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                              That's just ridiculous. Either he did the things he's accused of, or he didn't, and if he really is guilty of the things he's accused of and feels remorse over them he should just come clean and admit them, without the theatrics of an investigation.
                              He has acknowledged the inappropriateness of the image, stated that he remembers the other encounter differently and, since there is a difference of views, invited an investigation. So if be believes he did not do the other thing as accused, he should simply confess it anyway? That makes no sense to me.

                              What really makes a difference, IMO, is that he has not stooped to attacking the woman in question, or belittling her in public. I take no position on his guilt or innocence because I do not know. When I do not know, and there are two opposing viewpoints, I say, "let the process work itself out."
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                EGGzackly - so he cops to what can not be denied, and the liberals fall all over themselves absolving him of anything further!
                                So if this a reference to what I posted, can you point out the place where I "absolved" him? That was not my intent, so if I misspoke I'd like to correct it. I'm not finding it.
                                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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