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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostBaloney. Jones was barely running before the accusations and turn out that high for a special election didn't run on coattails - that's nonsensical, given the actual campaigns.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSure it did, they're motivated, they hate Trump, and Democrats have a new philosophy, don't ignore red states. They had a huge get out the vote campaign down there."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere were TWO allegations of assault - not nine.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe 'independent witness' was the one that thought Moore had been banned - but no one else back up that story, including the mall manager.
Notice the allegations by those who acknowledged that he cruised the mall are not necessarily the same as those who claimed he was banned from the mall.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere's no substance at all in the mall allegations. The two assault allegations are anything but credible. The only credible allegations aren't illegal, immoral and were done with the consent of the parents (which makes the two assault allegations even more suspect).Last edited by Adrift; 12-16-2017, 10:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWrite ins are virtually useless to the major parties. They exist primarily for independents and cases where the parties need to replace a candidate (withdrawal or death) and can't. Running a write in campaign is incredibly expensive - you have to have a lot of name recognition and you have to change voter behavior so you have to run a lot harder than the major party candidates and generally without a fraction of the funds.
There are cases of write in winners - but they are the exception, not the rule.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere were TWO allegations of assault - not nine.Originally posted by Adrift View PostNope, there were nine, http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-al...mmaries-713744
According to that cite...
Leigh Corfman - sounds like allegation of assault
Debbie Gibson - they kissed
Wendy Miller - he asked her on a date
Gloria Deason - kissing but "never going further"
Beverly Nelson - he groped her breasts
Tina Johnson - he groped her
Kelly Thorp - asked her for a date
Gena Richardson - unwanted "forceful" kiss
Becky Gray - persisted on asking for dates, making her uncomfortable
While creepy, not all of these are "assaults"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLook at each of the cases in your cite, Adrift. Several of those were just about dating, no allegation of assault. So, the number appears to be between two and nine.
According to that cite...
Leigh Corfman - sounds like allegation of assault
Debbie Gibson - they kissed
Wendy Miller - he asked her on a date
Gloria Deason - kissing but "never going further"
Beverly Nelson - he groped her breasts
Tina Johnson - he groped her
Kelly Thorp - asked her for a date
Gena Richardson - unwanted "forceful" kiss
Becky Gray - persisted on asking for dates, making her uncomfortable
While creepy, not all of these are "assaults"
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYeah, I edited my post when I saw that Teal replied to my post by specifying "assault". I was, of course, referring to the 9 allegations of sexual misconduct in general.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMost of what Trump promised he had no intention of accomplishing. That's the difference between Trump and well meaning politicians, he's naught but a con man. And yes there are many pols whose intentions match their promises even if they aren't able to follow through on them. Trump, in fashion with the republican party that he now owns, had no such intentions. His intentions were to enrich himself and his oligarch friends, many of whom he gave positions in his administration.
Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're confusing democrats with republicans, you're trying to be fair, but you're not. It isn't Democrats who have the my way or the highway attitude. They worked with the republicans on the ACA for a long time and the republicans were not going to vote for it no matter what. It still isn't the legislation that the Democrats would have prefered, but what they got does need fixing and democrats have been only too willing to work on those fixes with republicans. But like I said, republicans don't want to fix anything, they want to be rid of it, because it's their way or the highway. And you're right, they're doing the same thing with the tax bill. Theres been no hearings, no Democrat input at all. So both parties are not guilty in the same way, republicans are corrupt as a party, they're owned by the wealthy doners, and they're going to do what their doners tell them to do regardless of what they sell to their naive middle class constituents.
Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, hopefully we can do better than that, the republican electorate just need wake up and let their representatives know that they are on to them.
Originally posted by JimL View PostAgain, republicans don't, and have no intention of, compromising on anything.
Originally posted by JimL View PostThanks, I'm familiar with them, and I think we may need to go in that direction. This two party system is to tribal. More and more people are becoming independents and i think thats a good thing because the other party, i.e the republican party is satan.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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NBC Made Payment To Staffer After Sexual Harassment Claim Against Chris Matthews
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/16/nb...hris-matthews/Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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One of the factors in the Salem witch hunt was the tidal wave of accusations as the year progressed."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostApparently - that is your definition. PC gets tossed around, in my experience, whenever someone experiences themselves being criticized for something they don't want to look at or think is an "unreasonable" demand.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI just wanted to wish Carpe a non-sorrowful non-religious winter solstice celebration!
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI just wanted to wish Carpe a non-sorrowful non-religious winter solstice celebration!
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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