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Should Al Franken Resign?
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostActually, I agree that it provides context but it's irrelevant UNLESS she did in fact consent. Since neither Franken nor Tweeden have made any such assertion it doesn't matter if they were horsing around earlier or even if she'd permitted groping in the past (which is NOT alleged anywhere) - it only matters that he touched her inappropriately without her consent.
It also doesn't matter if he'd groped half of New York - or never touched a woman before in his life. All that matters is what he did at that time and whether or not she gave consent or any reason to believe that she would have consented. Since that is not alleged by either party, we're on to the part in contention.
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We got another prominent politician accused of sexual misconduct and apparently allowed to use taxpayer's money to pay off a settlement.
The story continues at the link above.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostJust to be clear here, it was my understanding that Franken didn't actually touch her in that photo; That he was making hand gestures near her breasts not on her breasts, is that correct?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt was Stephen Colbert that had the perfect take down for the defense that Franken is a comedian and trying to be funny (an excuse Franken himself has offered for the picture)
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA couple of the wimmenfolk I know would knock a couple teeth outta that creepy, leering grin of his before anyone else would have a chance to react.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostJust to be clear here, it was my understanding that Franken didn't actually touch her in that photo; That he was making hand gestures near her breasts not on her breasts, is that correct?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhenever someone says, "If someone tried that with my wife, I'd beat him to pulp," I always say, "I wouldn't have to. But I might have to pull my wife off him before she commits murder."
I was a police officer when I was dating my wife, and one afternoon decided to take her to the police range. I wanted to let her shoot my Ruger .357 magnum.
I showed her basic stance, grip, etc, and told her "just go ahead and fire a couple rounds, and I'll let you know what to do next".
She fired 3 rounds in fairly quick succession, two of which were bullseyes, and one 'almost'.
I told her "OK, that's enough for today, we'll do this again another time".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostQuick story....
I was a police officer when I was dating my wife, and one afternoon decided to take her to the police range. I wanted to let her shoot my Ruger .357 magnum.
I showed her basic stance, grip, etc, and told her "just go ahead and fire a couple rounds, and I'll let you know what to do next".
She fired 3 rounds in fairly quick succession, two of which were bullseyes, and one 'almost'.
I told her "OK, that's enough for today, we'll do this again another time".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostReminds me of the time on the old Andy Griffith Show when the woman Andy was dating beats him at a skeet shooting contestThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostShe fired 3 rounds in fairly quick succession, two of which were bullseyes, and one 'almost'.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's what I call gun control!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostMy understanding is that he touched her - and I can't tell positively otherwise from the photo. it appears to me that he is touching her.Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTechnically, of course, he didn't touch her breasts, but probably touched the flak vest. A C-17 is not the smoothest flight, so even if his hands were "almost touching", it's hard to imagine he didn't touch the flak vest at some point.
Oh, and by the way, assuming no turbulence, C-17s are actually pretty smooth. Or at least they were when I was taking them.Last edited by Adrift; 11-21-2017, 03:39 PM.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOk, it doesn't look that way to me at all. It looks to me like his hands are hovering a bit away from her vest, and it's only forced perspective that might make it look like he's touching her. And that's a big deal, because while pretending to touch someone in a sexual manner without their awareness is creepy and disturbing, it's not nearly as disturbing as actually touching someone in a sexual manner without their awareness. Touch is powerful. I had assumed that every here was in agreement that she wasn't actually physically touched in the photo.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut, TBH, it's a kevlar vest - a flak vest - she wouldn't even feel it unless he pressed hard. The point is that he felt the 'freedom' to do this at all - he's a creep.
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