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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
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    #metoothanks

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    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      OK - so I repeat the question. The article you linked to makes note of the slush fund, but provides no names and no indication of distribution (except to note one D and one R). I folowed the embedded links and still did not arrive at that information, so it's not clear to me how this article supports your claim. And where do you get the information that they are mostly "D?" Can you give me a source I can look at?
      Conyers is one of the D's who took advantage of the free money to pay off victims

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-...exual-conduct/

      You can't convince me that nobody else in Congress knew about this.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Conyers is one of the D's who took advantage of the free money to pay off victims

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-...exual-conduct/

        You can't convince me that nobody else in Congress knew about this.
        Kinda like the "open secret" about Ted Kennedy in his day.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Kinda like the "open secret" about Ted Kennedy in his day.
          Like him and my senator at the time, Chris Dodd, in the famous “waitress sandwich.”

          http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politi...features/2165/
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            Like him and my senator at the time, Chris Dodd, in the famous “waitress sandwich.”

            http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politi...features/2165/
            They were just boys being boys.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              They were just boys being boys.
              And its just what one should expect if you're a woman anywhere near such "boys"

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                And its just what one should expect if you're a woman anywhere near such "boys"
                It was probably the woman's fault!





                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It was probably the woman's fault!
                  Yeah, she served them too many 7&7s...
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Conyers is one of the D's who took advantage of the free money to pay off victims

                    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-...exual-conduct/

                    You can't convince me that nobody else in Congress knew about this.
                    I actually never said "no one knew." I just said that the claim that "they" knew (expressed in your post) is sweeping and unsubstantiated, as far as I can tell. But once a mind is closed, as you indicate above, it is pointless to continue a discussion.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • I'm just going to make one statement here. I do not defend the actions of any of these people - and where there are clearly issues - accountability is essential. For both sides - for all situations. I delight in the fact that we are finally dragging this (usually male) behavior into the light and calling it out for what it is. The excuse, "that's the way I was raised" explains the behavior and I accept the explanation - but nothing excuses the behavior.

                      And this is a non-partisan issue, as far as I am concerned. I am as dismayed by the behavior of our Democrats as I am of our Republicans - or ANY person who is acting this way and attempting to defend it. That includes presidents who dismiss their language as "locker room talk" or presidents who leverage their power to have an affair with an intern. It includes senators who pose for inappropriate pictures. Males in our country and culture need to collectively grow up, and stop seeing (and treating) women as objects for their enjoyment.

                      There is nothing wrong with admiring beauty - male OR female. There IS something wrong with objectifying people as so many do, in and out of office.

                      There is something just not right about making light of it - or turning it into yet another partisan issue.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • Cokie Roberts, a long time veteran of ABC's This Week and now also NPR, said that the women in the Washington Press Corp have known for years that they should never get onboard an elevator with John Conyers. Now we have to wonder just what sort of stuff did Conyers do to women unfortunate to be trapped on an elevator that he earned such a reputation.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Cokie Roberts, a long time veteran of ABC's This Week and now also NPR, said that the women in the Washington Press Corp have known for years that they should never get onboard an elevator with John Conyers. Now we have to wonder just what sort of stuff did Conyers do to women unfortunate to be trapped on an elevator that he earned such a reputation.
                          THIS bugs me. This from one of the many female voices in the media that told us over the years that women should come forward - that they shouldn't tolerate such behavior.

                          Which makes this hypocrisy if true...
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                          • Army veteran says Franken groped her during USO tour in 2003

                            http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politi...ion/index.html
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Army veteran says Franken groped her during USO tour in 2003

                              http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politi...ion/index.html
                              So... where's the picture? She claimed this happened while she was taking a picture with him, so where is it? Not that I doubt Franken is capable of something like this based on the number of pictures we have him of him actively groping women, but why is there no photographic evidence in this case?
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Here's the picture from the CNN article:

                                171130074418-al-franken-stephanie-kemplin-2003-exlarge-169.jpg

                                That doesn't show anything remotely inappropriate, and she appears to be willingly leaning in towards him with a relaxed smile on her face, which doesn't really jive with her claims:

                                "I remember clenching up and how you just feel yourself flushed. And I remember thinking -- is he going to move his hand? Was it an accident? Was he going to move his hand? He never moved his hand."

                                So either she's exaggerating or outright lying, or she's referring to a different incident than the one appearing in this picture.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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