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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Nice discovery concerning ancient human skills, but not unique.

    Maybe some layman believe this unfortunate fallacy. This is not the view of scientists of the intellect of Neolithic and Bronze age humans. Numerous rather advanced items have been found world wide including an aerodynamically designed weapon made from elephant tusk that is capable of killing a large animal from a considerable distance. Analysis shows that the weapon requires considerable learned skill to use properly.

    Ancient Chinese cultures before ~2000 BCE carved detailed jade works using drills.laths and saws made for harder silicate stones.
    Read the thread, please. You didn't address either the actual issue - magnification - or my side issue - precision. I'm well aware that ancients had tools and could carve stone - but machining such fine tools is not something I've seen the evidence for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Read the thread, please. You didn't address either the actual issue - magnification - or my side issue - precision. I'm well aware that ancients had tools and could carve stone - but machining such fine tools is not something I've seen the evidence for.
    I read the post and the issue of magnification is not a significant issue.

    You may not have seen it, but it is common in ancient Chinese jade carvings. I have collected and studied Neolithic Jade carvings of China for many years and some of their works are as fine as the one you cite.
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    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    I read the post and the issue of magnification is not a significant issue.

    You may not have seen it, but it is common in ancient Chinese jade carvings. I have collected and studied Neolithic Jade carvings of China for many years and some of their works are as fine as the one you cite.
    post a picture of such a comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Read the thread, please. You didn't address either the actual issue - magnification - or my side issue - precision. I'm well aware that ancients had tools and could carve stone - but machining such fine tools is not something I've seen the evidence for.
    What do you propose as alternative to simply the creative artistic technology of human abilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    post a picture of such a comparison.
    Simply google ancient Chinese jade carvings for a selection of carving from over the millennia.

    What do you propose for source of the carving if not natural creative artistic abilities of humans? Aliens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    What do you propose as alternative to simply the creative artistic technology of human abilities?
    Nobody is proposing an alternative, just stating that our knowledge of their own technical capacities must be extremely incomplete since they apparently can create such artifacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    What do you propose as alternative to simply the creative artistic technology of human abilities?
    Post your evidence - you've stated there's nothing unusual about this despite at least one expert stating otherwise. Burden is yours, post it.

    Quit answering the same post over and over again.

    Possible answers:
    1) Incorrect dating
    2) Anachronistic placement
    3) ET is just yanking your chain.
    4) Previously unknown tooling capabilities.
    5) An angel dropped it.
    6) Medieval forger (they forged everything else supposedly).
    7) Underwater carving - tedious as heck since the light would be a major issue.
    8) Modern forgery.
    9) Bigfoot's toenail after his pedicure - it shrinks, you know.
    10) Shrinky Dink and stupid archaeologist that didn't know what it was.
    11) You're a twit.

    Take you pick - I still want to see the machining capability to get something hard and small enough to do that in period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Simply google ancient Chinese jade carvings for a selection of carving from over the millennia.

    What do you propose for source of the carving if not natural creative artistic abilities of humans? Aliens?
    I know it was done by a human. duh. But he must have used some techniques unknown to us.

    You said you collected such jade pieces that compared to the carving. Take a photo and show us. Put it next to something to show scale.

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    Diamond stylus in a pantograph, perhaps.
    και εκζητησατε με και ευρησετε με οτι ζητησετε με εν ολη καρδία υμων

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Diamond stylus in a pantograph, perhaps.
    Except pantographs were invented in the 17th century.

    ...as far as we know.

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