Tribulation Force! January or so book reading or something

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Stephen:

Cir, only because Genesis is written as a past narrative; whereas Revelation is prophesy, and futurists and preterists alike agree that a lot of it is figurative, and shouldn't be just taken as a straightforward narrative, as Genesis is.

I direct you to my response to DDW.

Saying that a paticular part in the book that says "taking this passgep symbolically" cheapens all Biblical symbolism is silly.

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Stupid keyboard

[Dee Dee Warren]

Today @ 06:13 PM post located here
cirisme:

Relax, DDW.

And provide context or you look... silly. In the part I took issue with you said: "a cheap shot at saying wow who could believe this passage was not "merely symbolic" (a HORRIBLE back-handed cheapening of the power and majesty of Biblical symbolism)" You provided no indication what you were taking issue at was something more than related to just one passage.

Of course it would have to be because it was worded as "merely symbolic" as if that would make the passage worth less. Of course the comment in the book was about one passage, but its comment about its interpretation saying "merely symbolic" is what I was getting at, that broadens it beyond the one passage, to say that if an interpretation is indeed symbolic, it is "merely" so. It was a snide remark to a symbolic interpretatoin which of course cannot be taken in isolation, though admittedly when I made hta tpost I was not aware of the further words that would be said about how those who took things symbolically were "left behind" and were by implication not evangelicals.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Today @ 05:04 PM post located here
suzana717:

First no personal offense was intended, and if any was taken you have my apologies.

you are taking potshots at a series of books that have inspired many people to read the Bible & become interested in the things of God.

Now though wait a minute. I firmly believe that there is some bad theology in those books that is not honoring to God for it is not accurate. I know of people who have read these books and become disillusioned in faith when they figured out that this is not what the Bible actually teaches. I also know that because of the popularity of these books this kind of stuff is now taken for granted that this is what Christians as a whole beleive. It is not. I frankly find it a cartoonish view of Christianity (not futurism in general - I was an ardent and sincere futurist, most of my good friends are futurists) at times that I wish to distance myself from. This is not to say this is a salvational issue etc. Not at all. These are my brethren, but like The Door magazine, I satirize that which I find ridiculous in our faith.

These books have even been credited with providing a "wake-up call" to people who have been living their lives with the belief that they can always accept Christ later.

Later than what? The Rapture? I don't believe in the Rapture as portrayed by these books, and I think it is a scare tactic at times. In fact I went to witness to a Jewish couple who's Christian convert daughter gave them these books to witness and it was backlash to work against the damage these ideas had wrought.

Are any of you even truly followers of Jesus? Or are you trying to show the world how much better you are than everyone else?

Sorry Suzanna, but you seem to be doing right there what you are denouncing. Yes we are truly Christians. Do you know enough about us to even say such a thing? Are you trying to show us that you are a better Christian than us? That is said rhetorically, I don't doubt you are being sincere. And again, I have apologized for any personal offense.

Please grow up and act more like Christ would want you to act.

I think Christ wants us to expose bad theology. I don't find satire to be unChristian.

Paul said "I am all things to all people" - God is using these books to make people think about Him - Why are you ridiculing God's witnessing tools?

Should I then be silent about Benny HInn or TBN? You do realize that LaHaye and Jenkins are vocal against my point of view too don't you? They are my brothers and we can disagree.

[Xavier]

Amen DDW...

Suz, please note that if you're looking for in-depth coverage of Theology and Theological Issues, be sure to check out those forums.

I, for one, have NEVER found a better source for in-depth discussion anywhere on the Internet.

I hope you give TWeb a better look, but if you don't, that's fine too.

God bless you on your journey.

Yours,
Xavier

[OneFollowingHim]

I hope you hang around a while, suzana717.

Soon after joining TWeb and reading more than one thread, I found a lot of good discusssion here. Yes, you'll find a lot of the kind of sillyness going on here in this thread, but I've read enough of the other postings by people in this thread to realize that they do take theology seriously.

Dee Dee Warren can hold her own. She takes this and other christian websites serously in a very fair way. See here.

I did make a post to give my support while realizing it is a little silly at times. See here.

Hope to see you more.

OneFollowingHim

[Dee Dee Warren]

Hey OneFollowingHim, thank you!

And I will try to be nicer. The biggest criticism I have is against bad writing. The secondary one is the few incidents I have pointed out of what I perceive to be bad theology,a nd again the quote where it was said that those of different interpretations were "left behind" or somehow were not conservative evangelicals was not right.

[OneFollowingHim]

Hey Dee Dee, you're welcome. Keep up the good work.

I've read all 11 of the books in the series so far. Don't ask me why because it gets worse.

The authors are obsessed with cell phone technology and Gulf Stream jets. Zipping around the world mostly undetected and Trib Force members manipulating top secret information from the inside without anyone being able to find the source. Come on!

All the main characters die in the last 3 pages of the book 11. Of course this is setting up for the Glorious Appearing that is described in Titus 2, Matthew 25 and elsewhere. That one was so obvious. The authors talk excessively about the Glorious Appearing. I expect that there will be a Trib Force reunion accompanying Jesus at the Glorious Appearing in book 12 (the last book).

We should all remember that the book series is fiction. No one should base any of his or her doctrines on what we read in the books.

I've talked to a lot of people who have put the books on a pedestal because they are purported to represent scripture. Heck, I don't even believe in a pre-trib rapture. But that's a different subject.

Anyway, I'm glad to be a regular poster and a guy who just hangs around for now. Chat with you later.

OneFollowingHim

[Stephen]

Onefollowinghim, I've read books 1-10.
You're telling me Buck, Chloe, and that Asian dude all die?

I need to read 11, it sounds good

[$cirisme]

The audio books are really really bad. The love scenes are especially corny... and they skipped some of the funniest parts

[$cirisme]

Oh, and they're starting(started?) two other series based on this since the cash cow is almost up. *sigh*

[OneFollowingHim]

Yeah, Stephen. They all die, Rayford and Ben Judah too. And, since you've read the first 10, the plot is all really predictable. There are really no suprises. They tried to add some suspense with Cloe's death, but that failed miserably, IMHO.

Read it if you want to, but you've been warned.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Yesterday @ 04:31 PM post located here
OneFollowingHim:

Hey Dee Dee, you're welcome. Keep up the good work.

I've read all 11 of the books in the series so far. Don't ask me why because it gets worse.

I will probably keep going with the audio series as long as I don't offend too many people on the way.

We should all remember that the book series is fiction. No one should base any of his or her doctrines on what we read in the books.

True, true, but like the DaVinci Code people are taking it for truth. And in the few quotes I put above, it is represneted in some places as what the Bible teaches - which of course some believe, but that one quote (if you cannot tell) really got under skin.

I've talked to a lot of people who have put the books on a pedestal because they are purported to represent scripture.

Yes, and while fiction - the fact is that it is the Biblical interpretation that hte authors believe - it is only the characters and specific situations that are fictional - the Biblical framework is the view of the authors - so I don't think we can simply say it is simply fiction.

Anyway, I'm glad to be a regular poster and a guy who just hangs around for now. Chat with you later.

OneFollowingHim

We sure hope you stay an active regular.

[Stephen]

OneFollowingHim, the whole series was predictable enough. I mean, they're preaching Carpathia will be killed and rise again, then he dies at the end of Assasin's, and everyone is supposed to go "wow, is he gonna stay dead?" Then, in the Mark he rises again and it's a shock to everyone, I'm sure.

I take it Moses survives, by the way?

But back to the normal flow of things. What's happened in the plot so far, DD?

[Xavier]

Did he arise in the "Indwelling"