The Apologetics of Confrontation and Anger

[rogue06]

This is true.

Not only a grammar/spelling Nazi but he keeps a record facepalm3.gif

[Cow Poke]

Not only a grammar/spelling Nazi but he keeps a record [ATTACH=CONFIG]25034[/ATTACH]

Guess on which list you appear?

[rogue06]

Guess on which list you appear?

Santa's "nice" list?

[Cow Poke]

Santa's "nice" list?

ONLY because you bribed him with an endless supply of bacon!

[rogue06]

ONLY because you bribed him with an endless supply of bacon!

nu-uh. I bribed him with an endless supply of bacon to put you on the naughty list.

[Cow Poke]

nu-uh. I bribed him with an endless supply of bacon to put you on the naughty list.

At least I get an endless supply of "clean coal".

[Roy]

... 'Grammar Nazis' tread ...

Aaaaargh!

[Roy]

Agreed. Most YECs and ID supporters are decent, honest people.

Also agreed. It's the advocates, not the supporters, that I object to. The ones that originate the quote-mines and other deceptions. The ones like:

Then there are folks like Ken Ham who even other YECs who have had dealings with have accused him of "deceptive conduct," "ungodly" behavior and changing AnswersinGenesis from a ministry into a fund-raising machine.

[Cow Poke]

Aaaaargh!

Yeah, I hate it when I'm correcting somebody else, and it comes back to me. It happens!

[tabibito]

Yeah, I hate it when I'm correcting somebody else, and it comes back to me. It happens!

consistently.

[Cow Poke]

consistently.

Go to you're room!

[rogue06]

yeah, i hate it when i'm correcting somebody else, and it comes back to me. It happens!

[carpedm9587]

As this is now a 'Grammar Nazis' tread, I'll point out that a "white washed tomb" and a "whitewashed tomb" are different things.

Nice one

[carpedm9587]

I think Jesus used insults against the Pharisees to shock them. They were the elite of society. They went around making pious sounding pronouncements and expected people to oooh and ahhh in response. Jesus told them that they were hypocrites who pretended to be pious but instead were subjecting people to their made up laws while they did what they wanted. They were the politicians of their time. The sleaseball congressmen who told people to respect women while they groped them in the elevator so to speak.

Even a sleaseball politician can learn. I just don't agree with the approach ascribed to Jesus.

[carpedm9587]

As a teacher, surely you know that it's a waste of time trying to teach some-one who doesn't think they have anything to learn?

No - it is never a waste of time to teach. You never know what is actually going in. My job is to create the learning environment. Their job is to learn. If I do my job, whether or not they learn is up to them. If I do NOT do my job, then they cannot learn. A farmer may loose crop if some of the seed falls on poor - soil. But they have NO crop if they do not cast the seed at all.

My understanding of the NT Pharisees is that they were akin to modern-day televangelists and YEC/ID advocates - interested only in fleecing the rubes and not caring a whit for truth or honesty. Jesus's approach wouldn't be aimed at them, or even at their die-hard brainwashed followers, but at those undecided people who might be salvageable.

Then Jesus aimed too narrowly, IMO. Now perhaps one can claim that he was god and could see into hearts and wasn't wasting his time with those whose hearts were not open. I do not see him that way, so I cannot go there. You never know what is in another heart, and when and where a well-cast seed might land. So why intentionally poison the well? (I think I just mixed my metaphors.. )

I've always thought it a way to dodge the question.

Actually - I thought it was a marvelous way to answer the question, drawing a clear line between matters of daily existence and matters of salvation (from his perspective), leaving his listeners to ask themselves, "so what exactly DOES belong to Caesar, and what belongs to God?"