The Apologetics of Confrontation and Anger

[rogue06]

Ok - I just cannot resist. The teacher in me is exploding....

"Your" is the possessive form of "you." I believe you were looking for the contraction, "you're" - short for "you are."

Yes...

Yes...

He shoots - he scores... :swish:

We REALLY need a basketball emoji....

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[Cow Poke]

Only if you live in Texas!

I'm a state-by-state kinda guy

You are being summoned.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...after-his-name

[carpedm9587]

I think you are really Cow Poke's soulmate.

Grammar Nazis, both!

[Sparko]

If you read the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees, he was not nice to them at all. He routinely ripped them a new one.

Pit of vipers, white washed tombs, sons of the devil, etc.

[carpedm9587]

If you read the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees, he was not nice to them at all. He routinely ripped them a new one.

Pit of vipers, white washed tombs, sons of the devil, etc.

Yes, he did. One thing I share in common with Jesus of Nazareth is my teaching roots. Jesus is claimed to have been a rabbi, a claim which history seems to support. I find the approach described above to be at odds with being a teacher - and especially one teaching that the law of love is supreme, and to turn the other cheek when struck, and to forego casting the first stone unless you are blameless.

Hypocricy can be hauled out into the light, without further polarizing the situation by attacking the attacker. I simply disagree with Jesus of Nazareth on this one. The approach is self-defeating, further reducing the possibility (however slim) that the message will be heard.

From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.

The response (again, paraphrasing): "Hypocrits! Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is weaker, and it is almost certain that the only ones who will hear the message is those who are already open to it. Those who are attacking will have shut down before the second word is uttered.

That's me - based on many years of experience. Based on the degree to which our nation and the world is polarizing, it is clearly a minority view. But I have to wonder, especially here, how many recognize a grain of truth - somewhere - deep down...

[Roy]

If you read the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees, he was not nice to them at all. He routinely ripped them a new one.

Pit of vipers, white washed tombs, sons of the devil, etc.

As this is now a 'Grammar Nazis' tread, I'll point out that a "white washed tomb" and a "whitewashed tomb" are different things.

[Sparko]

Yes, he did. One thing I share in common with Jesus of Nazareth is my teaching roots. Jesus is claimed to have been a rabbi, a claim which history seems to support. I find the approach described above to be at odds with being a teacher - and especially one teaching that the law of love is supreme, and to turn the other cheek when struck, and to forego casting the first stone unless you are blameless.

Hypocricy can be hauled out into the light, without further polarizing the situation by attacking the attacker. I simply disagree with Jesus of Nazareth on this one. The approach is self-defeating, further reducing the possibility (however slim) that the message will be heard.

From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.

The response (again, paraphrasing): "Hypocrits! Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is weaker, and it is almost certain that the only ones who will hear the message is those who are already open to it. Those who are attacking will have shut down before the second word is uttered.

That's me - based on many years of experience. Based on the degree to which our nation and the world is polarizing, it is clearly a minority view. But I have to wonder, especially here, how many recognize a grain of truth - somewhere - deep down...

I think Jesus used insults against the Pharisees to shock them. They were the elite of society. They went around making pious sounding pronouncements and expected people to oooh and ahhh in response. Jesus told them that they were hypocrites who pretended to be pious but instead were subjecting people to their made up laws while they did what they wanted. They were the politicians of their time. The sleaseball congressmen who told people to respect women while they groped them in the elevator so to speak.

[Sparko]

As this is now a 'Grammar Nazis' tread, I'll point out that a "white washed tomb" and a "whitewashed tomb" are different things.

what about white-washed tombs?

[Cow Poke]

As this is now a 'Grammar Nazis' tread, I'll point out that a "white washed tomb" and a "whitewashed tomb" are different things.

Just don't "tread" on me!

[Roy]

Yes, he did. One thing I share in common with Jesus of Nazareth is my teaching roots. Jesus is claimed to have been a rabbi, a claim which history seems to support. I find the approach described above to be at odds with being a teacher - and especially one teaching that the law of love is supreme, and to turn the other cheek when struck, and to forego casting the first stone unless you are blameless.

As a teacher, surely you know that it's a waste of time trying to teach some-one who doesn't think they have anything to learn?

My understanding of the NT Pharisees is that they were akin to modern-day televangelists and YEC/ID advocates - interested only in fleecing the rubes and not caring a whit for truth or honesty. Jesus's approach wouldn't be aimed at them, or even at their die-hard brainwashed followers, but at those undecided people who might be salvageable.

From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.

I've always thought it a way to dodge the question.

[Cow Poke]

As a teacher, surely you know that it's a waste of time trying to teach some-one who doesn't think they have anything to learn?

Often, the lesson is not for those who refuse to learn, but for those standing around.

My understanding of the NT Pharisees is that they were akin to modern-day televangelists and YEC/ID advocates - interested only in fleecing the rubes and not caring a whit for truth or honesty.

I think it's a little unfair to lump all YEC/ID advocates in with the televangelists. I think some of them sincerely believe in their message.

Jesus's approach wouldn't be aimed at them, or even at their die-hard brainwashed followers, but at those undecided people who might be salvageable.

I've always thought it a way to dodge the question.

When you know the question is an intended trap, why play along? Why not redirect?

[rogue06]

I think it's a little unfair to lump all YEC/ID advocates in with the televangelists. I think some of them sincerely believe in their message.

Agreed. Most YECs and ID supporters are decent, honest people.

Then there are folks like Ken Ham who even other YECs who have had dealings with have accused him of "deceptive conduct," "ungodly" behavior and changing AnswersinGenesis from a ministry into a fund-raising machine.


Oh. And I doubt that all televangelists are greedy scammers.

[seer]

Ok - I just cannot resist. The teacher in me is exploding....

"Your" is the possessive form of "you." I believe you were looking for the contraction, "you're" - short for "you are."

Yes...

Yes...

He shoots - he scores... :swish:

We REALLY need a basketball emoji....

I usually don't get that wrong teach...

[Cow Poke]

I usually don't get that wrong teach...

This is true.

[Cow Poke]

Agreed. Most YECs and ID supporters are decent, honest people.

Then there are folks like Ken Ham who even other YECs who have had dealings with have accused him of "deceptive conduct," "ungodly" behavior and changing AnswersinGenesis from a ministry into a fund-raising machine.


Oh. And I doubt that all televangelists are greedy scammers.

Yeah, that was a pretty broad brush.