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The Apologetics of Confrontation and Anger
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOnly if you live in Texas!
I'm a state-by-state kinda guy
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...after-his-nameThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI think you are really Cow Poke's soulmate.
Grammar Nazis, both!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you read the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees, he was not nice to them at all. He routinely ripped them a new one.
Pit of vipers, white washed tombs, sons of the devil, etc.
Hypocricy can be hauled out into the light, without further polarizing the situation by attacking the attacker. I simply disagree with Jesus of Nazareth on this one. The approach is self-defeating, further reducing the possibility (however slim) that the message will be heard.
From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.
The response (again, paraphrasing): "Hypocrits! Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is weaker, and it is almost certain that the only ones who will hear the message is those who are already open to it. Those who are attacking will have shut down before the second word is uttered.
That's me - based on many years of experience. Based on the degree to which our nation and the world is polarizing, it is clearly a minority view. But I have to wonder, especially here, how many recognize a grain of truth - somewhere - deep down...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you read the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees, he was not nice to them at all. He routinely ripped them a new one.
Pit of vipers, white washed tombs, sons of the devil, etc.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes, he did. One thing I share in common with Jesus of Nazareth is my teaching roots. Jesus is claimed to have been a rabbi, a claim which history seems to support. I find the approach described above to be at odds with being a teacher - and especially one teaching that the law of love is supreme, and to turn the other cheek when struck, and to forego casting the first stone unless you are blameless.
Hypocricy can be hauled out into the light, without further polarizing the situation by attacking the attacker. I simply disagree with Jesus of Nazareth on this one. The approach is self-defeating, further reducing the possibility (however slim) that the message will be heard.
From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.
The response (again, paraphrasing): "Hypocrits! Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is weaker, and it is almost certain that the only ones who will hear the message is those who are already open to it. Those who are attacking will have shut down before the second word is uttered.
That's me - based on many years of experience. Based on the degree to which our nation and the world is polarizing, it is clearly a minority view. But I have to wonder, especially here, how many recognize a grain of truth - somewhere - deep down...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAs this is now a 'Grammar Nazis' tread, I'll point out that a "white washed tomb" and a "whitewashed tomb" are different things.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes, he did. One thing I share in common with Jesus of Nazareth is my teaching roots. Jesus is claimed to have been a rabbi, a claim which history seems to support. I find the approach described above to be at odds with being a teacher - and especially one teaching that the law of love is supreme, and to turn the other cheek when struck, and to forego casting the first stone unless you are blameless.
My understanding of the NT Pharisees is that they were akin to modern-day televangelists and YEC/ID advocates - interested only in fleecing the rubes and not caring a whit for truth or honesty. Jesus's approach wouldn't be aimed at them, or even at their die-hard brainwashed followers, but at those undecided people who might be salvageable.
From my personal philosophy, the response (paraphrasing): "Show me a coin. Who's face is this? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to god what is God's" is powerful - masterful.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAs a teacher, surely you know that it's a waste of time trying to teach some-one who doesn't think they have anything to learn?
My understanding of the NT Pharisees is that they were akin to modern-day televangelists and YEC/ID advocates - interested only in fleecing the rubes and not caring a whit for truth or honesty.
Jesus's approach wouldn't be aimed at them, or even at their die-hard brainwashed followers, but at those undecided people who might be salvageable.
I've always thought it a way to dodge the question.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I think it's a little unfair to lump all YEC/ID advocates in with the televangelists. I think some of them sincerely believe in their message.
Then there are folks like Ken Ham who even other YECs who have had dealings with have accused him of "deceptive conduct," "ungodly" behavior and changing AnswersinGenesis from a ministry into a fund-raising machine.
Oh. And I doubt that all televangelists are greedy scammers.Last edited by rogue06; 11-23-2017, 08:23 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOk - I just cannot resist. The teacher in me is exploding....
"Your" is the possessive form of "you." I believe you were looking for the contraction, "you're" - short for "you are."
Yes...
Yes...
He shoots - he scores... :swish:
We REALLY need a basketball emoji....Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI usually don't get that wrong teach...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAgreed. Most YECs and ID supporters are decent, honest people.
Then there are folks like Ken Ham who even other YECs who have had dealings with have accused him of "deceptive conduct," "ungodly" behavior and changing AnswersinGenesis from a ministry into a fund-raising machine.
Oh. And I doubt that all televangelists are greedy scammers.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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