Gun Rights and Gun Control

[Zymologist]

As for politicians admiring despots: how many Democrats have sung the praises of communist dictators? How many Antifa-types carry communist flags around, or wear Che Guevara t-shirts?

As a libertarian, sure I can agree that Trump is a narcissist and an authoritarian (I didn't vote for him, btw). But the idea that the right (or Trump on his lonesome) is unique in its/his authoritarian tendencies is laughable.

[TheWall]

As for politicians admiring despots: how many Democrats have sung the praises of communist dictators? How many Antifa-types carry communist flags around, or wear Che Guevara t-shirts?

As a libertarian, sure I can agree that Trump is a narcissist and an authoritarian (I didn't vote for him, btw). But the idea that the right (or Trump on his lonesome) is unique in its/his authoritarian tendencies is laughable.

Anyone can be authoritarian.

I don't get the Che shirts and admiration of Hugo Chavez. In the case of Che he was a racist who murdered his opponents and wrote a book on guerilla tactics and authoritarian policies. Chavez took Venezuela out of the oil market and put them under socialism and now Venezuela despite having incredible ability to produce is in shambles.

I honestly wonder why the left doesn't call itself out more on things like this.

[carpedm9587]

I got your point just fine, thanks. How about going back to the post I was responding to? You are confirming my contention even while protesting that you aren't.

Then apparently I missed your point entirely. I'll need you to clarify.

[Starlight]

As for politicians admiring despots: how many Democrats have sung the praises of communist dictators? How many Antifa-types carry communist flags around, or wear Che Guevara t-shirts?

I see a big difference in that to the extent that Dems or libs happen to like any communist dictators, they like them for particular political policies they supported or enacted and in spite of the fact that they were authoritarian.

Whereas in the US right-wingers seem to like authoritarians because they are authoritarian. There's been various surveys that found Trump support correlated strongly with authoritarian political preferences for example.

So, for example, when the senior pastor at the biggest baptist church in my city preached a series on Jesus the economic revolutionary, he used the Jesus/Che Guevara poster on the side of his slides:

Was he implying he liked everything Che Guevara ever did or thought Jesus would have approved of it all or that he admired the authoritarian of Che Guevara? Of course not. He was saying that Jesus was an economic revolutionary in his day similar to how Che Guevara was in his.

[One Bad Pig]

Then apparently I missed your point entirely. I'll need you to clarify.

Frankly, I don't know if that's possible. We don't seem to communicate well.

[One Bad Pig]

I see a big difference in that to the extent that Dems or libs happen to like any communist dictators, they like them for particular political policies they supported or enacted and in spite of the fact that they were authoritarian.

Whereas in the US right-wingers seem to like authoritarians because they are authoritarian. There's been various surveys that found Trump support correlated strongly with authoritarian political preferences for example.

Given that such surveys can be manipulated to show all sorts of things that may or may not be true, color me skeptical.

So, for example, when the senior pastor at the biggest baptist church in my city preached a series on Jesus the economic revolutionary, he used the Jesus/Che Guevara poster on the side of his slides:

Was he implying he liked everything Che Guevara ever did or thought Jesus would have approved of it all or that he admired the authoritarian of Che Guevara? Of course not. He was saying that Jesus was an economic revolutionary in his day similar to how Che Guevara was in his.

He was holding Che Guevara up as someone to be admired, at least in some ways on the same level of Christ. If this is anything like the norm in your churches, then it's no wonder your view of Christianity is so distorted.

[carpedm9587]

Frankly, I don't know if that's possible. We don't seem to communicate well.

As you wish...

[Starlight]

He was holding Che Guevara up as someone to be admired, at least in some ways on the same level of Christ. If this is anything like the norm in your churches

Sadly it's not. I switched to that church precisely because I heard the sermon series would be coming up there and since I was already on that theological wavelength I was interested in hearing the sermons. But sadly very few churches or pastors are that with it, although my parents have been telling me that the new pastors at their baptist church generally do teachings along similar lines.

Most churches here are just the run-of-the-mill evangelical idiocy and misreading of the bible.

[One Bad Pig]

Sadly it's not. I switched to that church precisely because I heard the sermon series would be coming up there and since I was already on that theological wavelength I was interested in hearing the sermons. But sadly very few churches or pastors are that with it, although my parents have been telling me that the new pastors at their baptist church generally do teachings along similar lines.

I'm glad to know it's not.

Most churches here are just the run-of-the-mill evangelical idiocy and misreading of the bible.

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[Sparko]

I see a big difference in that to the extent that Dems or libs happen to like any communist dictators, they like them for particular political policies they supported or enacted and in spite of the fact that they were authoritarian.

Whereas in the US right-wingers seem to like authoritarians because they are authoritarian. There's been various surveys that found Trump support correlated strongly with authoritarian political preferences for example.

So, for example, when the senior pastor at the biggest baptist church in my city preached a series on Jesus the economic revolutionary, he used the Jesus/Che Guevara poster on the side of his slides:

Was he implying he liked everything Che Guevara ever did or thought Jesus would have approved of it all or that he admired the authoritarian of Che Guevara? Of course not. He was saying that Jesus was an economic revolutionary in his day similar to how Che Guevara was in his.

I can't wait for his Jesus/Hitler sermon.