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    Spiritual bipolar nature of fallen mankind (an evil pole and a good Pole)

    If just having knowledge of good and evil means that man is fallen and condemned, then why is not God’s nature fallen and condemned also because Gen. 3:22 states that man has become like God knowing good and evil? However, the majority of scripture indicates that God's nature is pure good (holy, righteous and just); therefore, it must not be just mere knowledge of good and evil that condemns fallen mankind since God already told Adam and Eve what was the good thing to do and what the evil thing to do was before they sinned by disobeying God's instructions; therefore, I believe it must be an inherent internal fallen bipolar nature (one pole is good and the other pole is evil) produced by the sin of Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God’s command that condemns fallen man, and this fallen bipolar nature is what internally drives mankind to do good and evil (at the discretion of their free wills) and gives mankind an inherent internal knowledge of good and evil. Calvinist’s teach that fallen mankind has only an inherent single poled nature of evil that does not move/drive men and women to do good. Many Calvinists teaches that a person has to be indwelt first by the (Holy Spirit) (regenerated, born again) in order to be made to do the good thing of believing in Christ as their savior. All Calvinists teach that man has to have God first perform an effective magical supernatural transformation of a person's will into a believing will (even if they do not call it regeneration, born again) because they believe man's internal single evil poled nature does not have any internal drive to do good, especially the good of making a free will decision to accept Jesus as their savior.

    In the book of Romans, Paul gave evidence that mankind has a bipolar nature having two poles (one pole is good and the other pole is evil). In Rom. 2:15 the Holy Spirit states through the Apostle Paul that the gentiles have the law written in their hearts which I believe is biblical evidence of the good spiritual pole of the bipolar nature of fallen mankind. In Rom. 7:23 the Holy Spirit has the Apostle Paul state that a law of sin dwells in his members which I believe is biblical evidence of the evil spiritual pole of the bipolar nature of fallen mankind.

    I believe humans are born corrupted bipolar sinners [The unsaved old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph.4:22; Col. 3:9)] having bipolar hearts/natures (“the heart is deceitful above all things….” – Jer. 17:9) with two spiritual poles (good and evil) because of Adam's and Eve's sin; that is, fallen/corrupted/sinful mankind has a spiritually bipolar nature, a good pole and an evil pole (Gen. 2:16-17; Gen. 3:1-7; Rom. 1:19, Rom. 2:14-15, Rom. 7:15-25), internally pulling on our free wills, rather than just externally pulling on our wills as took place with God’s external commands and instructions and the external temptation of the serpent that took place in the garden of Eden – thus, man knowing good and evil is the result of the fallen bipolar nature received when Adam and Eve sinned by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because one pole of man's bipolar fallen nature is evil, it inclines unsaved mankind and saved mankind towards sin and ensures that morally capable people will sin and not be able to live a perfect sinless life. The new man (born again person) is a Christian born again (indwelt by the Holy Spirit and should be willingly walking in/after the Spirit); that is, the new man has a good spiritual pole, an evil spiritual pole and the indwelling Holy Spirit and should be (of his own free will) willingly walking in/after the Spirit (Eph. 3:16, Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10; 2 Cor. 5:17; Rom. 7:24-8:26; Gal. 5:16-25).

    I refer to myself as an "inherent-free-willer" Christian, which means I believe in the inherent ability of fallen unsaved mankind to accept/believe or reject God's call/drawing/convicting/convincing/persuading teaching work using the creation, the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit (Rom. 1:18-20; Rom. 10:8-17; 1Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12; Luke 8:21; Jn. 15:26, 16:13; 2 Thess. 2:13).

    My limited knowledge of early Christian history led me to conclude that when the early Christians concluded that fallen mankind had only one nature that was evil, the door was opened for pagan unconditional determinism/predestination to be easily injected into Christianity ultimately resulting in the development of an anemic puppeteering sovereign God concept and the TULIP soteriology.

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    I think there is a struggle between good and evil in men. We are created by God to be his servants and to want to do good, yet because of our fallen nature, we have an urge to sin too. It is like an addiction.

    but the reason Adam was fallen was not because of the knowledge of good and evil, but because he chose to disobey God. Once he made that decision he was fallen and he then knew (experientially) what good and evil were. He had lost his innocence. But the falling was the act of disobedience.


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    God is the infinite good.

    The knowledge of evil is only a detriment to the finite good.
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    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    There's a big difference between informational knowledge about evil and an experiential knowledge of evil.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Hi Sparko,

    The phrase “If just having knowledge of good and evil means that man is fallen and condemned” does not mean “because of” or “make”, it means “indicates”.

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    God told them to not eat the fruit as a test of character. They failed the test and lost their innocence.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidgeminden View Post
    If just having knowledge of good and evil means that man is fallen and condemned, then why is not God’s nature fallen and condemned also because Gen. 3:22 states that man has become like God knowing good and evil?
    It is not only the knowledge of good and evil that makes one condemned. It is the application of it and the inability of man to step away from evil.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    uuhhhhh.....no.....We are created in God's image but with the stain of sin. Our appearance is good but we have a gearing to a sinful nature. When we are saved the stain is washed clean. While we have the ability to sin, Christians work out their salvation with fear and trembling and the desire to do good. There is no "two natures" about it. We are forgiven, we still mess up but we have this thing called going to the Lord and those we have trespassed against. While we are spiritually redeemed, our body is still that of a non ressurrected person. When we die at the final judgement our Body and Soul will match. Clean, pure and eternal. There is nothing bipolar, and I hate your use of that word. Bipolar is a mental illness.
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