Conservative values

[Leonhard]

Criticising the conduct of Israel is not anti-semitic. There's plenty to be critical of, even if it is a complex subject and their actions are not always entirely in the wrong.

[Darth Executor]

The UN is simply a forum in which member states can vote. If 91% of members states, including neutral countries on the other side of the world like my own country, are condemning Israel for human rights abuses and violations of international law... then perhaps it is because Israel is actually guilty?

Your country is not equal, it's full of self loathing white people who get extremely angry if other white people don't submit to genocide like you would if you were close enough to any actual threat.

[NorrinRadd]

As much as I sympathise with the Palestinians for the rough deals they've had, and some of the foolish wars they've tried to start, they're in a position where we can only tenuously call what they are a state. Israel, on the other hand, are the dominant force of power in that region. They control it and they have the resources to do so. For all the legitimate and complex criticisms one can give of how they manage it. That land is basically theirs, and they're trying to avoid a bloodbath, but its also clear that they want Jerusalem as their capitol city proper, and not just as an honorific title (while their government is stationed in Tel Aviv).

The Knesset meets in Jerusalem. That's part of why Trump's declaration was merely an acknowledgement of reality.

No solution is forth coming, and while I don't think it was a situation other governments were to meddle in, Trump has decided to break the ice on previous political decisions and do it any way in his random fashion.

Now its being done, so its what I support.

Well... I don't see it as "meddling." It is those countries who *refuse* to acknowledge reality and move their embassies that are "meddling."

Now, there are cases when I *support* meddling. It is "meddling" for us to tell NoKo they can't have nukes -- but I fully support such meddling.

[Starlight]

Criticising the conduct of Israel is not anti-semitic.

One of my favorite US political commentators is Jewish and as a Progressive he criticizes the actions of the current right-wing government of Israel regularly. Right-wingers don't get to do apartheid and other crimes against humanity and get some sort of free pass from criticism because they're governing a Jewish country while they do it.

Also, since Bernie Sanders is Jewish, you'd better all vote for him in 2020, or you're anti-semitic!

[Jedidiah]

The UN is simply a forum in which member states can vote. If 91% of members states, including neutral countries on the other side of the world like my own country, are condemning Israel for human rights abuses and violations of international law... then perhaps it is because Israel is actually guilty?

151 UN STATES VOTE TO DISAVOW ISRAELI TIES TO JERUSALEM:

The UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem as part of six anti-Israel resolutions it approved on Thursday... The vote was 151 in favor and six against, with nine abstentions.

Each one of those 151 ambassadors condemning Israel is voting on behalf of their country. When you talk about the UN as an 'anti-Jew organisation' you are delusionally confusing the fact that the UN is a forum that allows countries to express their views, with the fact that the UN employs some civil servants to perform various functions. Getting rid of the UN organisation and its employees wouldn't somehow stop 91% of the world's nations from viewing Israel as a bad-faith actor and civil-rights violator.

Are you are wannabe fascist world dictator who hates that nations other than the US actually have opinions? Or do you just hate that there exists a public forum like the UN in which they get to express those opinions? Or do you just not understand the basics that these are open votes in which every country in the world is voting, rather than some sort of deep-state-UN-conspiracy where the employees at the UN have some sort of deep organisational hatred of Jews?

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[Jedidiah]

Criticising the conduct of Israel is not anti-semitic. There's plenty to be critical of, even if it is a complex subject and their actions are not always entirely in the wrong.

There is scant criticism of the misdeeds of the other side. That is clear bias.

[Sparko]

So Starlight, if the UN decided that Wellington was not the capital of New Zealand but Auckland was, then NZ should do whatever they say? New Zealand is not a sovereign nation who can decide their own capital?

[Starlight]

So Starlight, if the UN decided that Wellington was not the capital of New Zealand but Auckland was, then NZ should do whatever they say? New Zealand is not a sovereign nation who can decide their own capital?

The US can certainly stick its embassy to us anywhere it chooses. Personally I'd prefer 200 miles off the coast and your ambassador Scott Brown with it.

Obviously the UN statements have no effect on the actual functions of the Israeli government (e.g. where their politicians meet to make laws, where their civil servants work etc), just as foreign statements would have no effect on where the New Zealand government met and operated from.

[Sparko]

The US can certainly stick its embassy to us anywhere it chooses. Personally I'd prefer 200 miles off the coast and your ambassador Scott Brown with it.

Obviously the UN statements have no effect on the actual functions of the Israeli government (e.g. where their politicians meet to make laws, where their civil servants work etc), just as foreign statements would have no effect on where the New Zealand government met and operated from.

So what's your point then? If a country can choose where to put it's capital then the UN has no say in the matter. All Trump is doing is recognizing the official capital of Israel that is already the capital instead of trying to pretend some other city is the capital.

The UN has no say in the matter. They are delusional.

[Jedidiah]

So what's your point then? If a country can choose where to put it's capital then the UN has no say in the matter. All Trump is doing is recognizing the official capital of Israel that is already the capital instead of trying to pretend some other city is the capital.

The UN has no say in the matter. They are delusional.

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