Peter Strzok gets exposed

[One Bad Pig]

The federal government should be resposible for those social programs so long as the people want those programs, which the majority of them do. I understand that the family values religious right don't like them because they are basically frauds who only feign their concern for others, but that's how democracy works, and most people in this country are actually good people and would rather live in a country that is good as well, so we have programs that reflect that majority will.

I (like many on the religious right) would far rather voluntarily donate to charities which work directly with those in need than forcibly pay into the federal government's grossly inefficient social welfare programs. I donate some to charity anyway, but it would be nice to be able to give more.

[Cow Poke]

I (like many on the religious right) would far rather voluntarily donate to charities which work directly with those in need than forcibly pay into the federal government's grossly inefficient social welfare programs. I donate some to charity anyway, but it would be nice to be able to give more.

EGGzackly - the federal government neither knows nor cares what goes on in my own neighborhood with respect to the people in need.

[Sparko]

If JimL truly wanted to go by what the majority wants then he would be against abortion, and support the 10 commandments on public property, and prayer in school, be against gay marriage and transsexual bathrooms -- Since the majority of Americans are conservative Christians.

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[JimL]

I (like many on the religious right) would far rather voluntarily donate to charities which work directly with those in need than forcibly pay into the federal government's grossly inefficient social welfare programs. I donate some to charity anyway, but it would be nice to be able to give more.

Yes, we've all heard the conservative argument on this, but they know as well as we progressives know that, as history has proven, doesn't work. FDR didn't create social security, unemployment ins., and LBJ didn't create welfare and medicaid, medicare, just for the hell of it. I'd like to see how all you middle class self concerned conservatives feel if these programs actually disappeared and reality hit you in the face.

[One Bad Pig]

Yes, we've all heard the conservative argument on this, but they know as well as we progressives know that, as history has proven, doesn't work. FDR didn't create social security, unemployment ins., and LBJ didn't create welfare and medicaid, medicare, just for the hell of it. I'd like to see how all you middle class self concerned conservatives feel if these programs actually disappeared and reality hit you in the face.

Did you have more fun erecting that strawman or setting it ablaze?

[JimL]

If JimL truly wanted to go by what the majority wants then he would be against abortion, and support the 10 commandments on public property, and prayer in school, be against gay marriage and transsexual bathrooms -- Since the majority of Americans are conservative Christians.

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Don't fool yourself Sparko, for one thing the map looks so red because nobody lives there in comparison to the blue areas. nearly as many people in those red areas voted for hillary as they did for Trump, so the red means basically nothing. And don't forget, Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million and that doesn't count all the poor and politically ignorant people who don't vote, and for whom republicans in those red states make it as difficult as possible for them to vote.

[JimL]

Did you have more fun erecting that strawman or setting it ablaze?

I don't see a refutation there. You're donation idea doesn't work, and you know it.

[Zymologist]

I don't see a refutation there. You're donation idea doesn't work, and you know it.

Why do you say it doesn't work?

[Starlight]

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy--to be followed by a dictatorship.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler

History has proven him embarrassingly wrong, hasn't it? Did you intend to make yourself look stupid by quoting him?

Democracy has turned out to be the most successful form of government. My country has been a stable democracy for more than 150 years now. The public has yet to collapse the country by voting for money for themselves, because just as people are smart enough to understand their own finances and that they can't spend without earning they also understand that the government's finances are the same.

[Starlight]

Why do you say it doesn't work?

In rich areas, there will be lots of well-funded charities, and the relatively few poor people living in those areas will do very well. In poor areas there will be zero or few charities with any money, and the large number of poor people living in those areas will not receive sufficient assistance. Likewise the quality of the assistance will vary significantly from charity to charity, and though some charities will be run very effectively and efficiently and be particularly helpful to the poor and judicious in how they help them, others will be incompetently and inexpertly run and do as much harm as good to the people they are trying to help.

That is why it is necessary to have a centralized system that ensures a collection of money from all across the country and then distributes that money to the people who need it, rather than private individuals and charities just handing it out on an arbitrary basis in the local area. It is also why you need centralized standards for the quality of training that the social workers working with these people have to meet. These things ensure that all poor people across the country receive a minimum standard of at least semi-competent assistance. Private charity can do its bit on top of that if it wishes, and can indeed be helpful in some ways in some local areas, but it can never be a complete solution to the overall issue for the above reasons.

[Cow Poke]

In rich areas, there will be lots of well-funded charities, and the relatively few poor people living in those areas will do very well. In poor areas there will be zero or few charities with any money, and the large number of poor people living in those areas will not receive sufficient assistance. Likewise the quality of the assistance will vary significantly from charity to charity, and though some charities will be run very effectively and efficiently and be particularly helpful to the poor and judicious in how they help them, others will be incompetently and inexpertly run and do as much harm as good to the people they are trying to help.

That is why it is necessary to have a centralized system that ensures a collection of money from all across the country and then distributes that money to the people who need it, rather than private individuals and charities just handing it out on an arbitrary basis in the local area. It is also why you need centralized standards for the quality of training that the social workers working with these people have to meet. These things ensure that all poor people across the country receive a minimum standard of at least semi-competent assistance. Private charity can do its bit on top of that if it wishes, and can indeed be helpful in some ways in some local areas, but it can never be a complete solution to the overall issue for the above reasons.

Yes, we are so blessed to have a government system that is so efficient and effective. Did you intend to make yourself look stupid?

[JimL]

Yes, we are so blessed to have a government system that is so efficient and effective. Did you intend to make yourself look stupid?

Yes we are blessed, what's you're problem? Is paying taxes to help those less fortunate than yourself making for a terrible existence for you? Curious how so many self proclaimed Christians are so greedy and uncaring when it comes to the plight of there fellow human beings, well, at least once they are out of the womb. A bit hypocritical I would say.

[Cow Poke]

Yes we are blessed, what's you're problem? Is paying taxes to help those less fortunate than yourself making for a terrible existence for you? Curious how so many self proclaimed Christians are so greedy and uncaring when it comes to the plight of there fellow human beings, well, at least once they are out of the womb. A bit hypocritical I would say.

It's amazing how you can pack so much dumb in one post.

[JimL]

It's amazing how you can pack so much dumb in one post.

Continuously calling me dumb instead of answering to the substance of my posts makes you look like the dumb one CP.

[Cow Poke]

Continuously calling me dumb instead of answering to the substance of my posts makes you look like the dumb one CP.

Sure, Jimmy, whatever you say.