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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    This is after pushing tax cuts for himself and his rich GOP donors which will push the national debt well over 1 trillion dollars. How's he going to pay for these NASA missions?
    Politics aside, do you agree with the push to go back to the moon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Politics aside, do you agree with the push to go back to the moon?
    Using lunar orbit as a staging point for Mars flights - yes. Landing men on the surface - no. Unmanned vehicles can do that job much better and cheaper than putting humans back there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Using lunar orbit as a staging point for Mars flights - yes. Landing men on the surface - no. Unmanned vehicles can do that job much better and cheaper than putting humans back there.
    You think we can launch "equipment" to the moon without people, and that equipment can set up and launch missions to Mars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You think we can launch "equipment" to the moon without people, and that equipment can set up and launch missions to Mars?
    It is much easier to fake the Mars landing from the moon. Just need some red paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Using lunar orbit as a staging point for Mars flights - yes. Landing men on the surface - no. Unmanned vehicles can do that job much better and cheaper than putting humans back there.
    If you're going to use orbit as a staging point, wouldn't it be simpler to just use Earth orbit?

    I think it would be more cost-effective for a private venture to get us back into space (which is already starting to happen, at least for LEO). We need to commercialize space in order to make it economically viable anyway, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    If you're going to use orbit as a staging point, wouldn't it be simpler to just use Earth orbit?

    I think if would be more cost-effective for a private venture to get us back into space (which is already starting to happen, at least for LEO). We need to commercialize space in order to make it economically viable anyway, IMO.
    Exactly, as long as just governments control space, nothing will actually get done except a few science experiments. If we want to move mankind into space, we need to make it profitable, which means making it so that private companies and individuals have a reason to go into space and innovate. NASA hasn't done anything truly innovative in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I think they should just take all the money they think they will spend on this and offer it as a prize for the first private company to land men on Mars and return them. NASA has a bad habit of spending a ton of money then abandoning their accomplishments.
    It's not that simple. Congress changes the amount of money allocated for a project on an almost yearly basis, which requires the engineers on the project to redesign, rescale, or otherwise rework that same project over and over again. It's the idiots in government who force a good bit of NASA's reputation for overspending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I think they should just take all the money they think they will spend on this and offer it as a prize for the first private company to land men on Mars and return them. NASA has a bad habit of spending a ton of money then abandoning their accomplishments.
    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Using lunar orbit as a staging point for Mars flights - yes. Landing men on the surface - no. Unmanned vehicles can do that job much better and cheaper than putting humans back there.
    A lunar base could be useful. Think of the telescope you could put there with 1/6 g and no atmosphere. Not sure if mining would be profitable. (The moon is a harsh mistress) Solar arrays to beam power back to earth? I think we should be exploring,pushing the boundaries. Space is the next great frontier. We should be out there making it work for us. Maybe we can't, but if we don't try it is guaranteed we can't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    A lunar base could be useful. Think of the telescope you could put there with 1/6 g and no atmosphere. Not sure if mining would be profitable. (The moon is a harsh mistress) Solar arrays to beam power back to earth? I think we should be exploring,pushing the boundaries. Space is the next great frontier. We should be out there making it work for us. Maybe we can't, but if we don't try it is guaranteed we can't.



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    Can you imagine, Jim, a scenario in which a moon base would be possible without humans to run it?

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