Doug Jones beats Roy Moore for Senate seat

[JimL]

Republicans may have dodged a fusillade of bullets with this loss. Moore would've been the perfect example for the Democrats to use to tarnish the Republican image next year, and may have been another loose cannon in the Republican senate ranks.

Apparently you're forgetting about the leader of yor party, democrats already have Trump as a perfect example to use to tarnish the republican image next year. That's if he's not been impeached and imprisoned by then.

[One Bad Pig]

Apparently you're forgetting about the leader of yor party, democrats already have Trump as a perfect example to use to tarnish the republican image next year.

They've certainly been doing their damnedest to use him so far.

That's if he's not been impeached and imprisoned by then.

Why do I have the feeling you'll still be saying that - with the same level of expectant hope - in Trump year 7?

[JimL]

They've certainly been doing their damnedest to use him so far.

Why do I have the feeling you'll still be saying that - with the same level of expectant hope - in Trump year 7?

If Trump is still the president in year seven, it's you who'll be wishing he had been impeached and imprisoned.

[Cow Poke]

If Trump is still the president in year seven, it's you who'll be wishing he had been impeached and imprisoned.

Hey, we made it through 30 years* of Obama, and we're still here!



*OK, it just seemed like that

[firstfloor]

Um.... the media seems to be doing a pretty good job of playing right into Trump's "FAKE NEWS" narrative.

Unfortunately, the punters, many of them, have not the wits to distinguish between real and ‘fake’ news. Real fake news is fabricated content that intentionally masquerades as news coverage of actual events. Fake fake news is what Trump talks about when he means to describe news coverage that is unsympathetic to his administration and his performance, even when the news reports are accurate.

[Cow Poke]

Unfortunately, the punters, many of them, have not the wits to distinguish between real and ‘fake’ news. Real fake news is fabricated content that intentionally masquerades as news coverage of actual events. Fake fake news is what Trump talks about when he means to describe news coverage that is unsympathetic to his administration and his performance, even when the news reports are accurate.

Not always. Sometimes he gets it right. Like I said - the media seems to be unwittingly playing into his narrative. Perception is reality.

[One Bad Pig]

If Trump is still the president in year seven, it's you who'll be wishing he had been impeached and imprisoned.

Doubtful. If his record is that horrendous after 4, it's not like he'll make it to 7, I don't see him changing significantly during a second term, and there's no way he'd manage to keep anything that damning under wraps for long. Keep on dreaming the dream, bro.

[JimL]

Doubtful. If his record is that horrendous after 4, it's not like he'll make it to 7, I don't see him changing significantly during a second term, and there's no way he'd manage to keep anything that damning under wraps for long. Keep on dreaming the dream, bro.

With Trump at the helm democracy itself is at risk and his record won't matter. He made a few early mistakes, such as colluding with Russia and firing Comey leading to a special prosecutor which hopefully ends up bringing him down before he's able to take control of democratic institutions as is his want. Don't think it can't be done, Putin did it, and thats where Trump took his lessons.

[Starlight]

With Trump at the helm democracy itself is at risk and his record won't matter. He made a few early mistakes, such as colluding with Russia and firing Comey leading to a special prosecutor which hopefully ends up bringing him down before he's able to take control of democratic institutions as is his want. Don't think it can't be done, Putin did it, and thats where Trump took his lessons.

I don't seriously think that US democracy is at risk. Trump doesn't have the competence or focus of Putin. Trump would prefer to watch TV and play golf than actually govern. Plus he's old enough and his diet is bad enough that it's 50/50 whether he dies of natural causes within terms limits anyway.

Trump is not some sort of crafty and competent political actor like Putin who uses his connections and influence to consolidate all of government power under him. Trump is a different type of political actor - the type who's more suited to playing a politician on TV than actually knowing how to be one. He's more likely to drink america's diet coke supply dry than he is to craftily steal political power.

Trump is just a run-of-the-mill fraudster and buffoonish money-launderer for the Russian oligarchs. He'll eventually go down for that once Mueller's people finish poking through his finances. He may or may not do a Nixon and panic and try to fire the special prosecutor. But that's about the limit of the drama.

[mikewhitney]

I don't seriously think that US democracy is at risk. Trump doesn't have the competence or focus of Putin. Trump would prefer to watch TV and play golf than actually govern. Plus he's old enough and his diet is bad enough that it's 50/50 whether he dies of natural causes within terms limits anyway.

Trump is not some sort of crafty and competent political actor like Putin who uses his connections and influence to consolidate all of government power under him. Trump is a different type of political actor - the type who's more suited to playing a politician on TV than actually knowing how to be one. He's more likely to drink america's diet coke supply dry than he is to craftily steal political power.

Trump is just a run-of-the-mill fraudster and buffoonish money-launderer for the Russian oligarchs. He'll eventually go down for that once Mueller's people finish poking through his finances. He may or may not do a Nixon and panic and try to fire the special prosecutor. But that's about the limit of the drama.

so you are admitting (in an odd way) that Trump is the best president that the USofA has had in a long time.

[Starlight]

so you are admitting (in an odd way) that Trump is the best president that the USofA has had in a long time.

He's probably the least competent president your country has ever had. If you think that is a good thing, you probably need your head examined.

[Terraceth]

My miscue. Doug Jones will be in until 2020, which is a blessing.

There are more problems with Roy Moore, than his version of sex education. Moore has indicated that he opposes the Constitutional Amendments from 10 on,

That's not what he said. He said that getting rid of everything after 10 would solve "many problems," not that he was necessarily in favor of getting rid of every single one. And he's actually right in that it would solve some problems (I wouldn't mind the removal of the 16th amendment), though it could easily cause a lot of problems of its own.

Although it is a little amusing that the articles I've seen criticizing his statement, rather than point out actual problems that could occur from a mass repeal, try to act indignant about the removal of something like the 13th amendment, as if any state would actually decide to re-institute slavery as a result. Amendments like that are superfluous at this point, it doesn't matter if they're on the books because any policy that goes against them would be so unpopular it'd never get enacted.

Of course, if not for the 17th Amendment, Roy Moore almost certainly wouldn't have become the Republican nominee (I actually saw someone use his nomination as an argument for the repeal of the 17th Amendment, saying he wouldn't have ever gotten it had senators been chosen as they were originally).

[One Bad Pig]

With Trump at the helm democracy itself is at risk and his record won't matter. He made a few early mistakes, such as colluding with Russia and firing Comey leading to a special prosecutor which hopefully ends up bringing him down before he's able to take control of democratic institutions as is his want. Don't think it can't be done, Putin did it, and thats where Trump took his lessons.

Well, looks like you took my last sentence to heart, at least.

[One Bad Pig]

I don't seriously think that US democracy is at risk. Trump doesn't have the competence or focus of Putin. Trump would prefer to watch TV and play golf than actually govern. Plus he's old enough and his diet is bad enough that it's 50/50 whether he dies of natural causes within terms limits anyway.

Trump is not some sort of crafty and competent political actor like Putin who uses his connections and influence to consolidate all of government power under him. Trump is a different type of political actor - the type who's more suited to playing a politician on TV than actually knowing how to be one. He's more likely to drink america's diet coke supply dry than he is to craftily steal political power.

Trump is just a run-of-the-mill fraudster and buffoonish money-launderer for the Russian oligarchs. He'll eventually go down for that once Mueller's people finish poking through his finances. He may or may not do a Nixon and panic and try to fire the special prosecutor. But that's about the limit of the drama.

I agree that US democracy is not at risk. He's not likely to steal power. However, IMO it is singularly foolish to underestimate an outsider who managed to get himself elected President. Of course, those on the Left are determined to do so, which is why I think odds are good he'll get reelected the second time around.

[Juvenal]

What's your favorite color unicorn?

Invisible and pink gets you cookies.