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  • Doug Jones beats Roy Moore for Senate seat

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politi...bar/index.html

    I doubt he will win in 2018. Like Virginia I see cracks in the walls of the Trump Hotel and signs of rejecting Trump.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-12-2017, 10:36 PM.
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    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
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    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

  • #2
    Essentially you could not have had a more flawed candidate than Moore.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Essentially you could not have had a more flawed candidate than Moore.
      Trump?
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Essentially you could not have had a more flawed candidate than Moore.
        Excuses, excuses. Essentially you'd be taken more seriously if you'd have said that previously to his being defeated. Moore won the primary over Luther Strange, so apparently republicans didn't see Moore as being all that flawed. What most likely happened is turnout on the democratic side from those fed up with the Trump/Bannon republican wackiness.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Moore won the primary over Luther Strange, so apparently republicans didn't see Moore as being all that flawed.
          All the sexual assault allegations came out after the primary. The WaPo reporters were poking around in Alabama learning about the Republican candidate when they stumbled onto these accusations. Luther Strange's opposition research team were apparently asleep on the job, especially given how well-known this general characteristic of Moore was among politicians in Alabama. I am quite sure that the Republicans in Alabama would have preferred to have Strange rather than Moore as their candidate once those allegations became known.

          Usually voters are much more responsive to scandals that come out during the primary than they are in a general, because in a primary they are choosing between two candidates that both stand for roughly similar positions so a lot of voters will like both candidates and so easily switch from one to another if a scandal comes out. Whereas in the general it's a case of:

          Last edited by Starlight; 12-13-2017, 04:42 AM.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            All the sexual assault allegations came out after the primary. The WaPo reporters were poking around in Alabama learning about the Republican candidate when they stumbled onto these accusations. Luther Strange's opposition research team were apparently asleep on the job, especially given how well-known this general characteristic of Moore was among politicians in Alabama. I am quite sure that the Republicans in Alabama would have preferred to have Strange rather than Moore as their candidate once those allegations became known.

            Usually voters are much more responsive to scandals that come out during the primary than they are in a general, because in a primary they are choosing between two candidates that both stand for roughly similar positions so a lot of voters will like both candidates and so easily switch from one to another if a scandal comes out. Whereas in the general it's a case of:

            Yeah thats true, I'm not sure how much of an effect that had though. I think it was more of a democratic backlash to the Trump/Bannon ugliness infiltrating the republican party.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Essentially you could not have had a more flawed candidate than Moore.
              Looks like the false allegations paid off. Now watch his accusers disappear into the night, never to be heard from again.

              It also didn't help that his own party actively worked to defeat him.
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              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Looks like the false allegations paid off.
                False, according to your opinion, perhaps the less subjectively biased came to a different conclusion.

                Now watch his accusers disappear into the night, never to be heard from again.
                No one is suing him, so why would you expect to continue hearing from them?

                It also didn't help that his own party actively worked to defeat him.
                A few conscientious republicans spoke out, but the party worked to get him elected.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Yeah thats true, I'm not sure how much of an effect that had though. I think it was more of a democratic backlash to the Trump/Bannon ugliness infiltrating the republican party.
                  So, you think the Democrats, who already hated Trump with a passion, somehow decided it was time to start hating Trump? I hope that sounded better in your head.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Essentially you could not have had a more flawed candidate than Moore.
                    It might be a good thing, I liked Moore, but he was off the rails. And Jones will be out of office in two years...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      It might be a good thing, I liked Moore, but he was off the rails. And Jones will be out of office in two years...
                      Imagine the hooting and hollering and drama that would continue to come from the left if Moore had won. I bet a lot of Republicans in the Senate are breathing a sigh of relief.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post


                        No one is suing him, so why would you expect to continue hearing from them?
                        Because the women want justice and the truth to come out and be vindicated? If they disappear they are saying they were making it up. Besides, at this point Moore is not going to let it go if the allegations were false. He would have an excellent defamation lawsuit.

                        Also, JimL, what does it tell you that against an alleged pedophile, Jones only won by only 1.5%??? That shows Jones was not exactly the shoe-in winner. If he had gone up against any other republican who did not have the allegations, he would have lost big.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Imagine the hooting and hollering and drama that would continue to come from the left if Moore had won. I bet a lot of Republicans in the Senate are breathing a sigh of relief.
                          Yep...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            My miscue. Doug Jones will be in until 2020, which is a blessing.

                            There are more problems with Roy Moore, than his version of sex education. Moore has indicated that he opposes the Constitutional Amendments from 10 on, and actually, like many Southerns still support a Confederate States of America Constitution where religion, Christianity, has a dominant role in government and law. He has not said it directly, but a lot of his support is from Southern separatists.

                            Tapper, his campaign manager, has stated the Bible must be law.

                            Polls in North Carolina indicate that 15%+ support secession of the Southern States, restoration of the Confederacy, and oppose a secular government. I believe this may be higher in Alabama.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                              No one is suing him, so why would you expect to continue hearing from them?
                              Exactly. Their one and only goal was to smear Moore's name right before a big election. Mission accomplished. Go cash those checks, ladies. You earned them.

                              Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                              A few conscientious republicans spoke out, but the party worked to get him elected.
                              Many high-profile Republicans, including Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, made a lot of noise about not seating Moore if he won, or subjecting him to an immediate ethics investigation. There is no doubt in my mind that the constant drum-beat of the false allegations over the last six-weeks are what the made the difference in this race. And, yes, the allegations are almost certainly false with the one case having an implausibly short time-line (which the Washington Post never bothered to mention) and the other case was blown up when it was admitted that the yearbook inscription was partially forged.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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