I no longer consider myself pro-life

[shunyadragon]

No it's not, and it doesn't contradict my first post at all. My reasons for not wanting to criminalize it are entirely different from yours. You don't want to criminalize it because you're not really opposed to the slaughter of innocent children, you just don't want to be honest with yourself about it. I don't want to criminalize abortion because it's a pointless goal that is better served in the long term by the mass suicide of its proponents.



If you do not advocate criminalization you are not pro-life (unless you also oppose criminalizing other forms of murder). Stop trying to claim the mantle of something that doesn't belong to you.

You are narrowly defining pro-life only from your per your own beliefs.

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=pro%3Dlife+definition&oq=pro%3Dlife+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.14041j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

pro-life prōˈlīf/Submit adjective opposing abortion and euthanasia.

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[Cow Poke]

Do show me any mention of opposition to abortion in the Bible, feel free.

Do show me where I made such a claim, feel free.

[Sparko]

The Jesus depicted in the gospels would be highly likely to look favorably upon such a person.

It is quite understandable now why you are an atheist, Starlight.

[Sparko]

Nope, genocide cannot be legalised the 1945-46 Nuremberg trials proved this.

That is just some other country(s) making up their own rules after the fact. Are you saying that if some country later decides that Abortion is indeed murder and can't be legalized then all of the abortions to date are murder?

[Obsidian]

The common rabbinic interpretation is that if the only harm that comes to the woman is the loss of the fetus, it is treated as a case of property damage — not murder.

The later rabbinic sources address the issue more directly, beginning with the Mishnah referenced above. Elsewhere, the Mishnah says that if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the execution can go forward provided she has not yet gone into labor, a further indication that Jewish law does not accord the fetus full human rights prior to birth".

There is a term for these rabbis.

Matthew 23:27,33

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. . . . Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

[Jedidiah]

That's not what I said. But that you get joy out of personally helping others isn't why you should be doing it, you ought to be doing it by paying your taxes as well wherein you don't necessarily get that same personal satisfaction.

Plus you can help make your legislators richer.

[Cow Poke]

That's not what I said. But that you get joy out of personally helping others isn't why you should be doing it,

It's not the main motivation, it's a beneficial result. Jimmy, I'm beginning to think you've never really experienced joy.

you ought to be doing it by paying your taxes

So, I'm sure that, when you do your taxes, IF you do them, you automatically add a boatload of cash to help the poor, right?

as well wherein you don't necessarily get that same personal satisfaction.

I have never failed to pay taxes due. Not once.

[Zymologist]

Do show me any mention of opposition to abortion in the Bible, feel free.

Are you pro-choice? I'd honestly love to hear a priest expound on this.

[JimL]

Plus you can help make your legislators richer.

That's just dumb Jed. Legislators are corrupted by corporate lobbyist, you know, the people Trump and the republican party are doing the bidding for right now with their tax cuts for the wealthy plan.

[JimL]

It's not the main motivation, it's a beneficial result. Jimmy, I'm beginning to think you've never really experienced joy.

Right, and you'll get a much better result for the needy when you support democratic policies rather than republican policies meant to further enrich the wealthy.

So, I'm sure that, when you do your taxes, IF you do them, you automatically add a boatload of cash to help the poor, right?

What I do is support tax policy that is slanted to benefit those in need and not the ultra wealthy.

I have never failed to pay taxes due. Not once.

Big deal, so have I. The difference is that you don't want to and I'm happy to.

[Cow Poke]

Right

We're good then!

[carpedm9587]

After reviewing most of this thread - all of you who responded to DE should take the following steps:

1. Extend your right index finger
2. Curl it slightly
3. Open your mouth
4. Insert your finger into your mouth, curling your index finger around your right cheek
5. Pull violently to the right, jerking your head in that direction as you do so

Repeat these steps until you understand...

[Sparko]

After reviewing most of this thread - all of you who responded to DE should take the following steps:

1. Extend your right index finger
2. Curl it slightly
3. Open your mouth
4. Insert your finger into your mouth, curling your index finger around your right cheek
5. Pull violently to the right, jerking your head in that direction as you do so

Repeat these steps until you understand...

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[Obsidian]

After reviewing most of this thread - all of you who responded to DE should take the following steps:

Extend your right index finger
Curl it slightly
Open your mouth
Insert your finger into your mouth, curling your index finger around your right cheek
Pull violently to the right, jerking your head in that direction as you do so


Repeat these steps until you understand...

I've heard people in real life make the same argument that he's made. If it's supposed to be satire, it's not very funny.

[Starlight]

It is quite understandable now why you are an atheist, Starlight.

The widespread failure of the so called 'Christian' church to follow the teachings of Jesus certainly was a source of ongoing frustration when I was a Christian.

However my reason for not actually believing in the supernatural and ultimately being an atheist I outlined here.