I no longer consider myself pro-life

[Tassman]

There is a term for these rabbis.

Matthew 23:27,33

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. . . . Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

This passage is not addressing abortion, but hypocrisy. Traditionally Jewish law does not accord the fetus full human rights prior to birth. Interestingly, these "whited sepulchres" of yours, i.e. the Pharisees, are the only rabbis that believed the later Christian tradition of resurrection and an afterlife as well as angels & Spirits: The Pharisees had a developed angelology and strong belief in spirits, which was tied to their belief in the resurrection...as opposed to the conservative Sadducees who denied it all. Paul himself was a Pharisee.

[Obsidian]

The point is that "Jewish law" is corrupt. Why in the world would we care how those sinners interpret the Bible? Belief in angels doesn't mean anything. Pretty much all religions believe in angels, and plenty of atheists.

[Tassman]

The point is that "Jewish law" is corrupt. Why in the world would we care how those sinners interpret the Bible?

This was in response to kiwimac’s question, namely "Do show me any mention of opposition to abortion in the Bible, feel free”. He’s right. There is NO opposition to abortion in the Bible.

Belief in angels doesn't mean anything. Pretty much all religions believe in angels,

Not the conservative Jews of Jesus’ time led by the Sadducees. They didn’t believe in angels and spirits or in life after death.

and plenty of atheists.

To my knowledge no atheists have a belief in supernatural entities such as angels.

[Cow Poke]

The widespread failure of the so called 'Christian' church to follow the teachings of Jesus...

You mean, only the teachings of Jesus you want us to follow, and as you completely misrepresent them.

[rogue06]

You mean, only the teachings of Jesus you want us to follow, and as you completely misrepresent them.

That ^^^^



But then again, he wrote a book that all his like-minded friends tell him is really cool.

[carpedm9587]

The point is that "Jewish law" is corrupt. Why in the world would we care how those sinners interpret the Bible? Belief in angels doesn't mean anything. Pretty much all religions believe in angels, and plenty of atheists.

You know atheists that believe in angels?

[Obsidian]

There is NO opposition to abortion in the Bible.

There is no specific prohibition of abortion, because the Bible places the baby on the same legal footing as everyone else. It is simply viewed as homicide. Your rabbi friends that you are quoting are serpents and white-washed tombs, who can't think straight.

Exodus 21:22-25

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The KJV offers a fairly literal translation of this passage, and it's very self-explanatory.

And although the passage is primarily about harm inflicted to an innocent bystander who happens to be a baby, obviously the same principle applies to other bystanders as well. In law, this is referred to as "transferred intent." You're intending to shoot someone and instead you shoot someone else -- still murder. You recklessly assault anyone -- still assault.

[Darth Executor]

You know atheists that believe in angels?

i saw a poll once that had about half of atheists believing in god so anything is possible.

[Cerebrum123]

You know atheists that believe in angels?

I know one that believes in demons, so this wouldn't surprise me.

[carpedm9587]

I know one that believes in demons, so this wouldn't surprise me.

That surprises me not a little bit...

[KingsGambit]

i saw a poll once that had about half of atheists believing in god so anything is possible.

Then they're not atheists.

[kiwimac]

There is no specific prohibition of abortion, because the Bible places the baby on the same legal footing as everyone else. It is simply viewed as homicide. Your rabbi friends that you are quoting are serpents and white-washed tombs, who can't think straight.

Exodus 21:22-25

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The KJV offers a fairly literal translation of this passage, and it's very self-explanatory.

And although the passage is primarily about harm inflicted to an innocent bystander who happens to be a baby, obviously the same principle applies to other bystanders as well. In law, this is referred to as "transferred intent." You're intending to shoot someone and instead you shoot someone else -- still murder. You recklessly assault anyone -- still assault.

The Hebrew of the passage is very clear. The harm referred to in the passage, is to the woman as a foetus in Jewish law was not a person until a breath was drawn.

If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges. But if damage comes to her, let life be given in payment for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow.

Bible in Basic English

[Starlight]

Then they're not atheists.

I think it's hard to draw a clear distinction sometimes. For example I think the probability of any of the religions I've ever heard of being true is ~0%, and I find plenty to actively dislike about many of them. So I am an "atheist".

But I would say the possibility that this universe was created by some alien scientists in some other universe who were tinkering around with singularities is nonzero. And I think the possibility that this world is actually a fully immersive massively multiplayer computer game has a pretty high probability. Being an atheist with regard to revealed religions hardly stops me being thoughtful about metaphysics in general.

[lilpixieofterror]

People decide not to get insurance mostly because they believe that they can't afford it. When they realize that through the ACA, aka Obamacare, they can afford it, then they are happy to be able to get it.

Those 350 dollar per month payments are affordable? That’s the average cost for single coverage for someone that is single and under 30. Families can be triple that. The only way that is ‘affordable’ is the government hiding the cost by paying part or all of it through raising the debt through the roof. I sure hate to see what you call ‘affordable’ if you think that plan will work forever and ever.

Thats why another 1 million signed up for it this year. And if Trump and republicans like yourself would just get out of the way and stop trying to undermine it, we would all be better off.

Name 3 things that the Republicans have done to ‘undermine’ it because it appears to be failing all on its own and only has been good at creating skyrocketing premiums and national debt.

[Cow Poke]

Those 350 dollar per month payments are affordable? That’s the average cost for single coverage for someone that is single and under 30. Families can be triple that.

Then there's the real kick when you have to actually use the insurance, and your deductible is nowhere near affordable.

Deductibles for individuals enrolled in the lowest-priced Obamacare health plans will average more than $6,000 in 2017, the first time that threshold has been cracked in the three years that Affordable Care Act marketplaces have been in business, a new analysis finds.

Families enrolled in bronze plans will have average deductibles of $12,393, according to the study by the consumer insurance comparison site HealthPocket.

A deductible is the amount of money someone must personally pay out of pocket for health services before insurance covers the remaining cost.

Obamacare deductibles are on the rise for 2017, along with monthly premiums

Yeah, I know - all Trump's fault.