I no longer consider myself pro-life

[Starlight]

Yeah, I know - all Trump's fault.

If you right-wingers would stop calling the healthcare systems used throughout the civilized world "socialism" and stop fighting against the implementation of them in the US, maybe you would already have a better system by now?





Maybe the idiots like you who have opposed reforms to your country's healthcare system at every step of the way, arguing that copying any of the successful systems in other countries is "government overreach" or "socialism", are the ones to blame for how expensive and unaffordable healthcare is in your country and are the ones to blame for all the people who die in your country every year because they cannot afford access to healthcare.

[Cow Poke]

If you right-wingers... Maybe the idiots like ....

Feel better?

[JimL]

Then there's the real kick when you have to actually use the insurance, and your deductible is nowhere near affordable.

Deductibles for individuals enrolled in the lowest-priced Obamacare health plans will average more than $6,000 in 2017, the first time that threshold has been cracked in the three years that Affordable Care Act marketplaces have been in business, a new analysis finds.

Families enrolled in bronze plans will have average deductibles of $12,393, according to the study by the consumer insurance comparison site HealthPocket.

A deductible is the amount of money someone must personally pay out of pocket for health services before insurance covers the remaining cost.

Obamacare deductibles are on the rise for 2017, along with monthly premiums

Deductables don't even come up unless you actually end up in the hospital and premiums are relatively small. It's not like everyone has to end up paying 6,000 or 12,000 before they get healthcare. Under Obamacare you get free annual checkups, free preventative care, colonoscopies, prostate exams, pap smears, etc etc etc.

Yeah, I know - all Trump's fault.

No, it's Obama's fault, he's a good man, Trumps fault will be in throwing 20 million people off of the Insurance rolls. You like that better right?

[Cow Poke]

Deductables don't even come up unless you actually end up in the hospital and premiums are relatively small. It's not like everyone has to end up paying 6,000 or 12,000 before the get healthcare. Under Obamacare you get free annual checkups, free preventative care, colonoscopies, prostate exams, pap smears, etc etc etc.

No, it's Obama's fault, he's a good man, Trumps fault will be in throwing 20 million people off of the Insurance rolls. You like that better right?

Do you ever make a post without snark?

[JimL]

Do you ever make a post without snark?

Mirror Mirror.

[Cow Poke]

Mirror Mirror.

Actually, I have quite a few posts without snark, Jim.

[Starlight]

Feel better?

No actually, merely thinking about the subject makes me really angry. I consider you morally responsible for murder due to your roll in voting for and supporting right-wing politicians who have failed to provide, and actively stood against, ensuring everyone in your country has access to healthcare who needs it.

[Cow Poke]

No actually, merely thinking about the subject makes me really angry. I consider you morally responsible for murder due to your roll in voting for and supporting right-wing politicians who have failed to provide, and actively stood against, ensuring everyone in your country has access to healthcare who needs it.

Yeah, I'll stay awake all night worrying about your angry accusations.

[rogue06]

No actually, merely thinking about the subject makes me really angry. I consider you morally responsible for murder due to your roll in voting for and supporting right-wing politicians who have failed to provide, and actively stood against, ensuring everyone in your country has access to healthcare who needs it.

Talk about morality and murder is mighty rich coming from someone who has repeatedly called for legalizing the murder of infants several weeks to months after their birth if the parents decide they don't want them.

[lilpixieofterror]

If you right-wingers would stop calling the healthcare systems used throughout the civilized world "socialism" and stop fighting against the implementation of them in the US, maybe you would already have a better system by now?





Maybe the idiots like you who have opposed reforms to your country's healthcare system at every step of the way, arguing that copying any of the successful systems in other countries is "government overreach" or "socialism", are the ones to blame for how expensive and unaffordable healthcare is in your country and are the ones to blame for all the people who die in your country every year because they cannot afford access to healthcare.

I do love the baseless fear mongering without presenting a single fact to back it up. Tell you what, we’ll run our country the way we please and you can shut it because we don’t care what your sad little opinion is, deal?

[lilpixieofterror]

No actually, merely thinking about the subject makes me really angry. I consider you morally responsible for murder due to your roll in voting for and supporting right-wing politicians who have failed to provide, and actively stood against, ensuring everyone in your country has access to healthcare who needs it.

This coming from the same hypocrite that wants it legal to execute babies? Physician, heal thyself.

[Starlight]

Talk about morality and murder is mighty rich coming from someone who has repeatedly called for legalizing the murder of infants several weeks to months after their birth if the parents decide they don't want them.

And here's Rogue with the attempted distraction. You, i consider a wilful and guilty murderer on thr grounds of your regular gun apologetics as well as on the healthcare issue.

[lilpixieofterror]

And here's Rogue with the attempted distraction. You, i consider a wilful and guilty murderer on thr grounds of your regular gun apologetics as well as on the healthcare issue.

Name 3 deaths you can directly link to your claims please.

[carpedm9587]

I do love the baseless fear mongering without presenting a single fact to back it up. Tell you what, we’ll run our country the way we please and you can shut it because we don’t care what your sad little opinion is, deal?

Why are those charts "baseless fear mongering" and how does your response in any way respond to this data? I've done a bit of digging, and these numbers are correct. As Americans, should we not be asking, "why are we spending so much and getting so little, comparatively?"

[lilpixieofterror]

Why are those charts "baseless fear mongering" and how does your response in any way respond to this data? I've done a bit of digging, and these numbers are correct. As Americans, should we not be asking, "why are we spending so much and getting so little, comparatively?"

I don’t know. Perhaps because Americans eat a less healthy diet and don’t exercise regularly has a lot to do with it? See, that’s the problem with looking at charts and merely assuming your conclusion without looking at the facts and letting them lead your conclusion. Ever lived in Europe? I have and you don’t see loads of overweight people around there. You want to bring healthcare cost down? Eat a healthier diet, exercise, and your healthcare cost will go down.