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  • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    The government has made little or no inroads into poverty.
    Stop fooling yourself Jed, the government allowed for over 20 million people to get health care that would otherwise have gone without it. This new tax reform, I mean tax cut for the greedy/wealthy, is going to knock 13 million of them back off the rolls. Thats the conservative way. Somehow christians align with that way.

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    • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
      If you enjoy helping others you should not do it eh?
      That's not what I said. But that you get joy out of personally helping others isn't why you should be doing it, you ought to be doing it by paying your taxes as well wherein you don't necessarily get that same personal satisfaction.
      Last edited by JimL; 12-14-2017, 11:36 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        The Roman Catholic Church has an estimated 1.2 billion members and portrays itself as the one legitimate heir to New Testament Christianity, and the pope as the successor to Peter, the Vicar of Christ and the first bishop of Rome. You mean he's wrong? How do you know?
        We're not Catholics idiot, it doesn't matter what Pope Poz says or does.
        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

        There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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        • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
          With an majority percentage going into government pockets.
          Government programs are quite good at:

          -Creating more cushy government jobs.
          -lining the pockets of contractors.
          -spending loads of money.
          -creating more that depend on said government program that vote for whatever party that keeps them going.

          Helping those they are supposed to help? Results may vary.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Stop fooling yourself Jed, the government allowed for over 20 million people to get health care that would otherwise have gone without it. This new tax reform, I mean tax cut for the greedy/wealthy, is going to knock 13 million of them back off the rolls. Thats the conservative way. Somehow christians align with that way.
            Are you saying 20 million people were unable to get healthcare or do you merely assume that? Did you ever assume that some merely choose not to get health insurance?
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
              Are you saying 20 million people were unable to get healthcare or do you merely assume that? Did you ever assume that some merely choose not to get health insurance?
              Egad! Nearly 1 million more people signed up this year than last year even though Trump and the republicans are doing everything in their power to undermine it, including ending the mandate and fine for not having insurance. Yeah, they choose to have it, but it has to be affordable.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                blah blah blah
                Your quality arguments never cease to convince me.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Egad! Nearly 1 million more people signed up this year than last year even though Trump and the republicans are doing everything in their power to undermine it, including ending the mandate and fine for not having insurance. Yeah, they choose to have it, but it has to be affordable.
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                    This would mean that the Nazi's killing millions of Jews wasn't murder, because they made it legal.
                    Nope, genocide cannot be legalised the 1945-46 Nuremberg trials proved this.
                    "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                    I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      The Roman Catholic Church has an estimated 1.2 billion members and portrays itself as the one legitimate heir to New Testament Christianity, and the pope as the successor to Peter, the Vicar of Christ and the first bishop of Rome. You mean he's wrong? How do you know?
                      Even if he is the successor to Peter and the Vicar of Christ, your original argument based on an appeal to something he wrote fails because, as I explained (1) his statements weren't going as far as you claimed they were, and (2) under Catholic teaching, being the Vicar of Christ doesn't mean every statement he makes is accurate ("papal infallibility" is actually quite limited in what it applies to). So whether or not the pope is in fact the Vicar of Christ isn't all that relevant because your argument fails even if he is.

                      Indeed, your challenge here feels like you're trying to change the subject in order to distract from the weaknesses of your arguments. Particularly because, as an atheist and therefore rejector of Catholicism, it seems like the onus should be on you to answer your own question.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Yeah, comes back to "should we obey man, or God".
                        Do show me any mention of opposition to abortion in the Bible, feel free.
                        "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                        I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                        • Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                          Do show me any mention of opposition to abortion in the Bible, feel free.
                          Exodus 20:13
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • People decide not to get insurance mostly because they believe that they can't afford it. When they realize that through the ACA, aka Obamacare, they can afford it, then they are happy to be able to get it. Thats why another 1 million signed up for it this year. And if Trump and republicans like yourself would just get out of the way and stop trying to undermine it, we would all be better off.

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                            • can you take the obamacare discussion somewhere else please
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                                Exodus 20:13
                                https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...ewish-thought/

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