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  • I no longer consider myself pro-life

    In fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

  • #2
    I don't know you very well. I do know this as much as I disagree with quite a bit on the left I know they are still people. Right left libertarian we are all sinners in need of a savior. What good will it do to your soul to say such things? Pray for them.
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    • #3
      Well "pro-life" is a silly name for the position because most of those who are against abortion generally subscribe to a range of anti-life position such as: support for the death penalty; support for cops who kill people in the line of duty that others might describe as innocent people; support for wars that kill people; support for drone strikes; support for high availability of firearms (which are subsequently used to kill people at high rates in the US); against extending medical care to all people; against extending programs that provide support for the poor and needy; support torture programs etc.

      On the whole, people who label themselves "progressive" tend to be vastly more concerned about the value of human life in general and ensuring the well-being thereof than are the people who label themselves "pro-life". My best friend, an evangelical Christian, commented to me last month that overall he felt the problem with US conservatives was their general lack of concern for the value of human life (to which I replied with a smile "but what about abortion?" He rolled his eyes).
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      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
        In fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.
        I doubt your sincerity here. What is this ruse leading to?
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        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Well "pro-life" is a silly name for the position because most of those who are against abortion generally subscribe to a range of anti-life position
          I'm thinking of also changing my stance on whether vaccines cause autism.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            I doubt your sincerity here. What is this ruse leading to?
            I am 100% honest. Drive yourselves to extinction by any means necessary. :)
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheWall View Post
              I don't know you very well. I do know this as much as I disagree with quite a bit on the left I know they are still people. Right left libertarian we are all sinners in need of a savior. What good will it do to your soul to say such things? Pray for them.
              The Amalekites were also people and God had the Israelites slaughter them, children and all. I think my position is quite a bit more moderate.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                The Amalekites were also people and God had the Israelites slaughter them, children and all.
                Yeah, in the context of the enemies of the Israelites, there's also all sorts of commands from God for the slaughter of children, pregnant women etc. And there's also a variety of passages where God himself causes the miscarriages. The OT seems to generally depict a God who is both pro-genocide and pro-abortion (and pro-slavery).

                Also let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials...
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Yeah, in the context of the enemies of the Israelites, there's also all sorts of commands from God for the slaughter of children, pregnant women etc. And there's also a variety of passages where God himself causes the miscarriages. The OT seems to generally depict a God who is both pro-genocide and pro-abortion (and pro-slavery).
                  That's a bit like saying someone is "pro-cyanide" because he forcefeeds it to his enemies.

                  Also let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials...
                  Pretty clever way to make the woman damn herself even more by killing her kid to preserve her lie. I wonder if God has set up similar traps for you, to really stack up the hellfire after you die. :)
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                    In fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.
                    I'm no Christian, but I'm not sure Jesus would agree with you on that one were he alive today.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
                      I'm no Christian, but I'm not sure Jesus would agree with you on that one were he alive today.
                      Given Jesus was a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gave away free healthcare and spent much of his ministry critiquing the rich people and saying they were going to hell... I think a lot of the 'Christians' in this forum would have big issues with Jesus were he alive today.
                      Last edited by Starlight; 12-13-2017, 12:04 AM.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Also let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials...
                        Questionable. A few translations render the applicable passage (most specifically Numbers 5:26) in such a way to suggest this, but most do not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          Questionable. A few translations render the applicable passage (most specifically Numbers 5:26) in such a way to suggest this, but most do not.
                          I would have thought the overall passage and description of the ceremony in general was pretty clear what was going on and that a different translation of a particular verse isn't going to much change the sense of the passage.

                          Can you explain your alternative reading? - what is the purpose of the described ceremony: what is the text saying with regard to why an Israelite should perform the ceremony, what does it accomplish, and what are the possible outcomes?
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
                            I'm no Christian, but I'm not sure Jesus would agree with you on that one were he alive today.
                            Jesus was pretty chill about letting people destroy themselves IE: telling apostles not to nag people too much with their evangelism and just move on if they are not accepted.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Given Jesus was a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gave away free healthcare and spent much of his ministry critiquing the rich people and saying they were going to hell... I think a lot of the 'Christians' in this forum would have big issues with Jesus were he alive today.
                              Jesus was middle eastern (IE: slightly darker than the typical european, almost certainly not brown) and He was neither socialist nor anti-war. In fact one of His parables is pretty explicitly capitalist and He threatens to return at the end of the world and slaughter people like you. It's actually cute how hard you try to associate with Him while spitting on everything he stood for, like a part of you knows what is to come and trembles.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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