I no longer consider myself pro-life

[Starlight]

[b]

And likewise Jesus was pretty clear that final judgement would be according to how people had treated the poor and oppressed:



As if that wasn't clear enough, he had plenty of other similar teachings, ranging from the ones you cite ("If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." and "How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"), to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus where the rich man has gone to hell and the poor man has gone to heaven, to "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God" and "But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation" etc.

As one statistical summary I just found puts it:

Jesus talked much about money. Sixteen of the thirty-eight parables were concerned with how to handle money and possessions. In the Gospels, an amazing one out of ten verses (288 in all) deal directly with the subject of money. The Bible offers 500 verses on prayer, less than 500 verses on faith, but more than 2,000 verses on money and possessions.

As I mentioned earlier, my own analysis found that concern for the poor was the plurality topic of Jesus' ministry.

[lilpixieofterror]

You people remind me of the rich guy in the bible to whom Jesus said, and I'm paraphrasing of course, "you want to follow me, go, give all your belongings to the poor and then come follow me." And the rich guy said "ah, I don't think so Lord, I didn't realize I'd have to sacrifice my stuff to follow you." If you are truly a christian, then you would support the type of government in which taxes are collected in order to care for the poor.
To me, most of you anti-socialist here are pseudo christians, the plight of other less fortunate people really doesn't matter to you, so long as you can pretend to care, or so long as you can get something out of it for yourself, like the good feeling you get when directly and personally helping someone. If you were truly a christian you'd support the kind of government that would exist if Jesus himself were the head of it, not someone like Trump who, along with the republican congress, is still working at throwing 13 million people off of healthcare with his tax cuts for the wealthy policy.

[Cerebrum123]

Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term for unlawful killing, as abortion is legal it can not be murder.

This would mean that the Nazi's killing millions of Jews wasn't murder, because they made it legal.

[Cow Poke]

The pope is the Vicar of Christ is he not?

He is not.

Regardless, they're wise words from a senior Christian figure. Unbridled capitalism in the face of of great poverty is an offence against humanity.

He is welcome to his opinion.

[Cow Poke]

You're certainly welcome to be wrong, at your own peril.

Yeah, I know, you'll do that maniacal laugh thing.

[lilpixieofterror]

He is not.



He is welcome to his opinion.

[lilpixieofterror]

And likewise Jesus was pretty clear that final judgement would be according to how people had treated the poor and oppressed:



As if that wasn't clear enough, he had plenty of other similar teachings, ranging from the ones you cite ("If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." and "How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"), to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus where the rich man has gone to hell and the poor man has gone to heaven, to "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God" and "But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation" etc.

As one statistical summary I just found puts it:

Jesus talked much about money. Sixteen of the thirty-eight parables were concerned with how to handle money and possessions. In the Gospels, an amazing one out of ten verses (288 in all) deal directly with the subject of money. The Bible offers 500 verses on prayer, less than 500 verses on faith, but more than 2,000 verses on money and possessions.

As I mentioned earlier, my own analysis found that concern for the poor was the plurality topic of Jesus' ministry.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, when you do it because you actually care, it's a whole lot better experience for those you help.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yeah, when you do it because you actually care, it's a whole lot better experience for those you help.

And tends to line a lot less pockets of government contractors.

[Cow Poke]

And likewise Jesus was pretty clear that final judgement would be according to how people had treated the poor and oppressed:

Jesus also made it quite clear that there's no way to the Father - and Heaven - except through Him.

While you're pretending to care what Jesus taught, you might want to start with the biggie.

[Cow Poke]

You people remind me of the rich guy in the bible to whom Jesus said, and I'm paraphrasing of course, "you want to follow me, go, give all your belongings to the poor and then come follow me." And the rich guy said "ah, I don't think so Lord, I didn't realize I'd have to sacrifice my stuff to follow you."

This is not a paraphrase, it's an ignorant perversion. The 'rich guy' didn't answer. No surprise you're so ignorant of God's Word.

[Cow Poke]

Yes, because they are SO much more efficient at solving the poverty problem.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yes, because they are SO much more efficient at solving the poverty problem.

It has done wonders creating cushy government jobs, lining the pockets of government contractors, and creating millions of government dependents that will vote for whoever will keep their benefits or give them more. I guess by those metrics, it was/is a great success.

[Terraceth]

[b]

You're right there's plenty of statements to give money to the poor. I agree. Again, where does Jesus tell anyone to give other people's money to the poor?

The pope is the Vicar of Christ is he not?

A "vicar" is a representative or deputy of someone. It doesn't mean they are that person, so it's a bit silly to attribute everything they say to that person. Additionally, that title (which applies to all bishops, not just the Pope) isn't accepted by non-Catholics, so I'm not sure why you think using that would be particularly persuasive to non-Catholics.

Regardless, they're wise words from a senior Christian figure. Unbridled capitalism in the face of of great poverty is an offence against humanity.

As I said before in the message you quote from but apparently didn't read:

Oh, sure, it criticizes completely unregulated capitalism, but it's a hard press to label that socialist, unless anything short of absolutely zero government regulation in the economy is socialism.

[Cow Poke]

It has done wonders creating cushy government jobs, lining the pockets of government contractors, and creating millions of government dependents that will vote for whoever will keep their benefits or give them more. I guess by those metrics, it was/is a great success.

Yeah, even that SOUP NAZI of a PRISON GUARD who wreaks havoc on the lobby of our local Social Security Office --- we pay that little Hitler's salary!