I no longer consider myself pro-life

[Cow Poke]

I guess Hitler never murdered 6 million Jews then.

Yeah, comes back to "should we obey man, or God".

[Sparko]

Yeah, comes back to "should we obey man, or God".

I don't know. Maybe we should ask JimL? He knows all about God and the bible and what Jesus really meant.

[Cow Poke]

I don't know. Maybe we should ask JimL? He knows all about God and the bible and what Jesus really meant.

Maybe we should wait til he figures out what he doesn't believe, and to what extent.

[Zymologist]

IMO, "abortion isn't murder because it's legal" is trivially true, and misses the point of the original claim. Yes, obviously abortion isn't legally murder; I'd think it rather obvious that's not what was being referred to in the first place.

[Zymologist]

I don't know. Maybe we should ask JimL? He knows all about God and the bible and what Jesus really meant.

Yeah, when Jesus said, "I wish you were either hot or cold," he was clearly talking about taxes and welfare.

[Mountain Man]

Your stuff is holding you back Lilpix, follow Jesus, and happily pay your welfare taxes to help those less fortunate, lest he spit you from his mouth.

Sorry, Jimmy, but Jesus never said that paying your taxes was a sign of virtue because it was giving to Caesar what was already his.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, when Jesus said, "I wish you were either hot or cold," he was clearly talking about taxes and welfare.

That's the first thing that came to MY mind!

[Cow Poke]

IMO, "abortion isn't murder because it's legal" is trivially true, and misses the point of the original claim. Yes, obviously abortion isn't legally murder; I'd think it rather obvious that's not what was being referred to in the first place.

Like car insurance is legal gambling?

[Sparko]

Yeah, when Jesus said, "I wish you were either hot or cold," he was clearly talking about taxes and welfare.

Huh. I always thought he was talking about heating and air conditioning, which should be provide free by the government.

[RumTumTugger]

I don't know. Maybe we should ask JimL? He knows all about God and the bible and what Jesus really meant.

Sparko, it's Starlight not JimL that knows all about the bible and what Jesus really meant JimL just parrots him.

[stfoskey15]

IMO people should be cautious in applying the teachings of someone who lived 2000 years ago to modern political or economic theory. Ideas about government and economics have progressed a lot since Roman times, and how Jesus viewed wealth could have been different post industrial revolution/globalization/etc.

[Cow Poke]

IMO people should be cautious in applying the teachings of someone who lived 2000 years ago to modern political or economic theory. Ideas about government and economics have progressed a lot since Roman times, and how Jesus viewed wealth could have been different post industrial revolution/globalization/etc.

I think the main emphasis is that we should care for poor people.

When the Good Samaritan came across a man in need, he didn't call some government agency, or take him there to sign him up for public assistance - he took care of the matter himself, with his own money, because he cared.

[JonathanL]

You people remind me of the rich guy in the bible to whom Jesus said, and I'm paraphrasing of course, "you want to follow me, go, give all your belongings to the poor and then come follow me." And the rich guy said "ah, I don't think so Lord, I didn't realize I'd have to sacrifice my stuff to follow you." If you are truly a christian, then you would support the type of government in which taxes are collected in order to care for the poor.
To me, most of you anti-socialist here are pseudo christians, the plight of other less fortunate people really doesn't matter to you, so long as you can pretend to care, or so long as you can get something out of it for yourself, like the good feeling you get when directly and personally helping someone. If you were truly a christian you'd support the kind of government that would exist if Jesus himself were the head of it, not someone like Trump who, along with the republican congress, is still working at throwing 13 million people off of healthcare with his tax cuts for the wealthy policy.

How on earth is "voluntarily give away your belongings to the poor and come follow me" the same as "Let the government steal your belongings and redistribute them to the poor" the same thing?

[Sparko]

How on earth is "voluntarily give away your belongings to the poor and come follow me" the same as "Let the government steal your belongings and redistribute them to the poor" the same thing?

because it not only allows JimL to be lazy and claim he is doing good by not having to actually do anything, but he gets to feel even better because they are taking OUR money to give to other people too.

[Zymologist]

So if I'm not virtuous, I can become virtuous by voting for Democrats?