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    Quote Originally Posted by stfoskey15 View Post
    Maybe go at it from an angle of historical inaccuracies in the Bible...
    Good luck. A lot of people have attempted that over the years only to prove that the Bible is, in fact, historically accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by stfoskey15 View Post
    ...or alternatively how things that seem to have a supernatural explanation can actually have a natural explanation.
    That doesn't work, either. First of all, many Christians don't hold to the "natural vs. supernatural" dichotomy because God can and does use the natural forces of our universe to manifest his will. For instance, when Jesus healed the man with the withered hand, this could be explained in the natural sense as nothing more than the spontaneous regeneration of nerve and muscle tissue, and why not? Lizards regrow their own tails, so why can't the human body spontaneously restore a useless limb? The miracle, however, is that it happened at Jesus' command. So was that natural, or supernatural? There's rarely a clear distinction, so even if you can come up with a natural explanation for a miracle, that doesn't in and of itself disprove the miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by showmeproof View Post
    I was a former frequent poster, but have had different interests and priorities arise. I am an atheist, happily married (now 14yrs) to a Christian. We have three children (9, 5, and 2ish). I am frequently asked by 9 and 5 about why I do not believe. I find this a difficult question to answer without an extrordinary amount of detail. I keep whittling down my answer trying to get it in a ballpark they can understand. By time I think I have the right balance, the explanation is so diluted that I find it unsatisfactory. I am sure some believers could argue the same and be right in their explanatory abilities and similar frustrations (but wrong in their conclusions 😎).

    My main reasons for atheism reside in molecular biology, chemistry, and evolution.

    Other reasons abound in History and the evolution of religions (especially Judaism).

    What are the topics you find the most difficult to explain about religious or non-religious beliefs to your children? Being an atheist, I think I have a steeper hill to climb in explanatory requirements and a theist has a built-in backdoor with hyperactive agency detection; as any parent, who has to reassure their children that its perfectly okay to go upstairs and the noise they heard is just the furnace, can attest. Do any theists here believe the table is actually tilted in an atheists favor and that it is harder for the theist?
    I know this is a question aimed at theists, but I found your difficulty a little odd. My wife is Christian. I was Christian when we met, and became atheist over the following years, completing that transition after we were married. That put some stress on our marriage, because my wife believed she was marrying a fellow theist and then found herself with a heathen in her bed. But how we approached our children was fairly simple: we each shared what we believed honestly, when they asked, without an attempt to "convert." We wanted them to find their own way. When my boys asked why I did not believe in god, my answer was always the same: "if you are going to believe something - you have to have a reason for believing it. I have no reason to believe in a god, so I don't believe in one."

    My wife shared her faith, and her reasons for having it. The boys went to Sunday school because she wanted them to. They went to church (for a while) because she wanted them to. Ultimately, both of them rejected religion and, today, both are also atheists. They are young men; no longer children. My wife has become increasingly disenchanted with religions. She still believes in god, but she has no use for any organized religious group anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    A lot of people have attempted that over the years only to prove that the Bible is, in fact, historically accurate.
    Many people say so. That doesn't make it so.

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