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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere's educated and there's smart CP, you may be better educated, but you voted for Trump, so in that respect your obviously not very smart.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWith Trump saying all this, how does that affect anything? The media is continuing to say what they want to say whether or not Trump has complained about the things they said.
How can Trump be called a dictator when a majority of politicians (and bureaucrats appointed by Clinton and Obama) are not siding with Trump? Wouldn't someone have to do more than simply removing corrupt workers in order to be called a dictator?
ok. so how does this differ from Clinton and Obama? How come Congress hasn't made any laws to reduce the powers granted to the Presidency?
It just doesn't sound like there is any grounds to call him a dictator -- unless you might just want to say that he is a dictator in his own mind.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostDude is your president whether you want to call him that or not. I think he is a short-sighted, egocentric, megalomaniac, but he is still my president whether I like it or not (and the answer is not). And yes, it does seem a bit childish to repeat the goofy refrain "not my president". Yes he is. He was legally elected into the office no matter how much we wish that wasn't the case. Suck it up and move on. Him being president shouldn't effect who we are and how we interact with those around us. Just keep doing your best to be the best you can be, and don't worry about those things that are out of your control. There is plenty we can do in our own communities that will help those in need regardless of who is president.
If that is childish, so be it. I also do not call catholic priests "father" (they are not my father). I will not disrespect them, but I am not going to use language that is not merited. I also minimize the degree to which I handle U.S. currency and omit the "under god" that was added to the pledge during the red scare.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHe isn't a dictator yet, he's working on it.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostGotta agree with this. 'Not my President' - if you were someone who actually voted - is nothing more than the kind of thing spoilt brats do when they lose. They were quite happy to play when they thought they would win, but when (to their surprise) they lose, suddenly they don't accept the rules of the contest anymore. It shows that the person is only interested in winning, in gaining power, and not in sharing in a political system that allows all sides the chance of getting what they want.
As for how I feel about Trump -
(1) He's not Hilary, a big point in his favour. Yuge, even.
(2) Most of the mainstream media coverage of Trump and his doings is relentlessly negative, and even on occasions outright untrue. Which tends to make most people also view Trump negatively. If it was possible to make a fair assessment of him as a President, one would have to seek balanced sources - and I doubt there are many of those at all. I think he faces opposition from both 'right' and left', in both Congress/Senate and the civil service bureacracy. That makes his job harder than many previous presidents have faced.
(3) I think the best frame to view him through is based on some of Scott Adam's (of Dilbert fame) ideas. Trump is a salesman, a negotiator and a persuader. He does things like make a very high 'initial offer' to establish a favourable bargaining position. He can then retreat from that offer, and still get a better deal than if he had come in with his actual desired goal as the offer. I think he actually plays on the goofy hair and tan, dumb boor image to lull people into underestimating him. If he really was as dumb as many think, how did he get the Republican nomination and then the Presidency against all the odds and pundit's predictions?
Maybe he really is a dope, or maybe we're underestimating him.
And he continues to use those skills, diverting the media (which he plays like a harp, IMO), while he pushes forward his policies with almost no media coverage. We have become the reality TV nation - and we now have a reality TV executive and an increasingly reality TV government. I'll bet THAT's something the founding fathers never envisioned...Last edited by carpedm9587; 12-16-2017, 11:55 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI wish somebody would change Trump's Twitter password, and not tell him what it is."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't recall repeating the refrain "not my president." It is true that I do not accept that he "represents me," and I will do everything I can do distance myself from him in any way possible.
Other than that, I simply do not honor him the the title of the office. He has done nothing to deserve it.
So I call him Mr. Trump. If he were to walk into a room, I would remain seated. If he were to address me, I would call him Mr. Trump. I am not going to honor a man with a title he disrespects.
If that is childish, so be it. I also do not call catholic priests "father" (they are not my father). I will not disrespect them, but I am not going to use language that is not merited.
I also minimize the degree to which I handle U.S. currency and omit the "under god" that was added to the pledge during the red scare.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere's educated and there's smart CP, you may be better educated, but you voted for Trump, so in that respect your obviously not very smart.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostCarpe, just wanted to highlight this for you, given our earlier exchange.Last edited by carpedm9587; 12-16-2017, 12:18 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI never argued no one thought this, OBP. I merely pointed out I am not seeing it as a widespread phenomenon - and I do not have thos efears any longer. I think our democratic institutions can withstand Mr. Trump and will eventually undo the harms he is doing to them.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOn the world stage, he represents you, like it or not.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEr, he got nominated and elected, so yes, he HAS done something to deserve it.
I simply will not grant him the honor of articulating his formal title when he so regularly disrespects the very office he holds. I have essentially no respect for the man, so I am not going to grant him an honorific. Frankly, I have too much respect for the office to honor that man in any respect whatsoever. Should he begin honoring his own office, I will reconsider.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHe took the immense trouble to run for the office, and you think he disrespects it?
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHow would you address a catholic priest? Just wondering.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostInteresting.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostKeep an eye on the investigation. Trump may very well pardon his partners in crime and fire Mueller the closer he gets to uncovering the truth, and then we could be in a Constitutional crisis because many in the republican house are already signaling to Trump that they will have his back no matter what.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe president has an unfettered power to pardon. It's in the constitution. I have no doubt that Trump will likely abuse that power to protect himself. Should that occur, it will be dealt with either by an incoming new Congress (possibly) or by the next election cycle. I frankly do NOT want to see Trump impeached or taken out of office before 2020. Should that happen, Pence takes his place (unless he is also implicated), and I think Pence has a FAR better chance of beating a Democratic candidate in 2020. Trump may have the disposition of a demagogue, but Pence is a true ideologue who's views very much concern me. As things are right now, I don't think Trump has a prayer. He won by a VERY marrow margin, and his approval numbers have been on a downward spiral ever since.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHow do you see Obama as "Divider in chief? And do you think Trump is any less so?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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