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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    ... identity politics ...
    Hitchens, who I'd imagine most would consider hard left, was famously acerbic about identity politics, and got away with it just fine. I agree with the Hitch, on this issue at least, because he's got a good argument. There's a place and a need for the voices most directly affected by particular policies, but "my ox got gored" can never be a basis for objective opinion.

    Much, if not all, or nearly all, of the "they're all biased" arguments I hear are not from those with an interest in unbiased reporting, but rather from those looking to justify their consumption of caution-quoted news from the most egregious offenders. It's "my wife winked at the neighbor" used to justify seeing the truck stop whore.

    It's not honest, and honestly, it says more about oneself than it does about the wife, or even the roadway entrepreneur.

    An actual concern about bias would be matched by movement toward the least biased sources.

    We don't need to rely on third-party scorecards to determine bias, or, more typically, journalistic sloppiness. Clicking through is enough, whether we're talking about science reporting or the latest memo from partisan actors. Find the doi and then click through on the climate story, read the memo and then search the transcripts. And, where the stories end, stop forming opinions.

    Approach every story as if you were going to report it yourself, and you'll find the bias that really matters when reading the news is the bias you bring to the news yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    Hitchens, who I'd imagine most would consider hard left, was famously acerbic about identity politics, and got away with it just fine. I agree with the Hitch, on this issue at least, because he's got a good argument. There's a place and a need for the voices most directly affected by particular policies, but "my ox got gored" can never be a basis for objective opinion.

    Much, if not all, or nearly all, of the "they're all biased" arguments I hear are not from those with an interest in unbiased reporting, but rather from those looking to justify their consumption of caution-quoted news from the most egregious offenders. It's "my wife winked at the neighbor" used to justify seeing the truck stop whore.

    It's not honest, and honestly, it says more about oneself than it does about the wife, or even the roadway entrepreneur.

    An actual concern about bias would be matched by movement toward the least biased sources.

    We don't need to rely on third-party scorecards to determine bias, or, more typically, journalistic sloppiness. Clicking through is enough, whether we're talking about science reporting or the latest memo from partisan actors. Find the doi and then click through on the climate story, read the memo and then search the transcripts. And, where the stories end, stop forming opinions.

    Approach every story as if you were going to report it yourself, and you'll find the bias that really matters when reading the news is the bias you bring to the news yourself.
    Sounds a lot like you're just dismissing protests of bias with a bit of armchair pseudo-psychoanalysis of those who object to it although you're right about trying to check the original sources where possible. If not, or it isn't something that has a doi, then I would add to look for multiple sources including those who approach it from a different angle than you usually do. Of course that can be difficult if large elements of the press spike the story so only one side is covering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    Much, if not all, or nearly all, of the "they're all biased" arguments I hear are not from those with an interest in unbiased reporting, but rather from those looking to justify their consumption of caution-quoted news from the most egregious offenders.
    Let's look at this from another angle. Much, if not all, or nearly all, of the "my source is unbiased" arguments I hear are not from those with an interest in unbiased reporting, but rather from those looking to justify their consumption of their preferred source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Let's look at this from another angle. Much, if not all, or nearly all, of the "my source is unbiased" arguments I hear are not from those with an interest in unbiased reporting, but rather from those looking to justify their consumption of their preferred source.
    When a poster consistently speaks of "less biased," or "least biased," only to see the subject changed to "unbiased," the rational response is to simply move on, chalking up the lack of rebuttal and unanimous preference for deflection as a win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Sounds a lot like you're just dismissing protests of bias with a bit of armchair pseudo-psychoanalysis of those who object to it although you're right about trying to check the original sources where possible. If not, or it isn't something that has a doi, then I would add to look for multiple sources including those who approach it from a different angle than you usually do. Of course that can be difficult if large elements of the press spike the story so only one side is covering it.
    I'm dismissing protests of bias for cause, as the evidence shows that the protests are not accompanied by a movement toward ... wait, I've already said this.

    If it wasn't read the first time, there's little point in posting it twice.

    If ... it isn't something that has a doi, then I would add to look for multiple sources including those who approach it from a different angle than you usually do ...

    Multiple uninformed sources are not better than a single uninformed source. Greater volume and turning one's head cannot make up for signal loss. The better response is to wait for better information to justify adopting a proportionally less tentative conclusion, and get comfortable with not knowing everything you want to know.

    Most of all, stop wanting a particular answer.

    This isn't a novel idea. It works for science. It even works for religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    When a poster consistently speaks of "less biased," or "least biased," only to see the subject changed to "unbiased," the rational response is to simply move on, chalking up the lack of rebuttal and unanimous preference for deflection as a win.
    Yes, that would be a red flag.
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