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Does an Omniscient Creator Lead to Fatalism?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAh, if there is no God (the uncaused existence not being the God), then what ever omniscience there might be, it is limited to omnipresence of all existence, and not any kind of conscious entity as we think a god would be.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDefining our own terms are we?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostAccording to whom? Presence has nothing to do with either possession or knowledge, and your saying otherwise can't change that.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOmniscience is defined as “the state of knowing everything”, but it requires a conscious mind to “know” anything, let alone “everything” and there is no substantive evidence that such a mind exists.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYou reject that evidence. It has been said, "In Him we live and move and have our being." He has been defined as being omnipresent. His Hebrew Name has the concise meaning of "Is." Being that He is omnipresent, He cannot not know everything. And Christians do know Him (John 14:6, John 17:3, 1 John 5:12, 13, 20).“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYet again you cite scriptural texts as if they are authoritative. They are not.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostThe only thing that I'm rejecting is your apparent assumption that your say-so is the only evidence for anything that I should care about.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostTwo things regarding the authority of said Biblical writings. If not authoritative: why not?
Being authoritative, you reject their authority.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIf "authoritative", why?Because you say so?Why is that a good reason?
I reject that they are authoritative.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, if you're a pantheist, then all existing things are just one thing and therefore you could say that the one existing thing is omnipresent. I don't think that's what you're trying to say though, is it?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostMy say so does not make anything authoritative to be authoritative.
Originally posted by 37818 View PostHad one actually knew God, one could no more deny it than having understood 1 + 1 = 2.
Originally posted by 37818 View PostSecondly, they never had a correct understanding of the gospel of grace.Last edited by Doug Shaver; 04-21-2018, 06:30 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAs to what a Christian believes. No. It would not be authoritative because of my saying so. For those who are Christians it is. Not for you.
Of course you reject it.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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