Does an Omniscient Creator Lead to Fatalism?

[Doug Shaver]

So Tiberius Caesar is not of credible history (Luke 3:1, for 28AD)?

Is the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War credible history? It is mentioned in a book titled Gone with the Wind.

[37818]

Is the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War credible history? It is mentioned in a book titled Gone with the Wind.

Was Gone with the Wind written to be real history?

[Tassman]

Was Gone with the Wind written to be real history?

The burning of Atlanta and the Civil War are substantiated historical events. The fictional story woven around those historical events is not.

[Doug Shaver]

Was Gone with the Wind written to be real history?

If someone wanted to know, how would they find out?

[37818]

If someone wanted to know, how would they find out?

By such common statements as, "Historical Fiction . . . . Gone with the Wind was popular with American readers from the outset and was the top American fiction bestseller in 1936 and 1937."

[37818]

The burning of Atlanta and the Civil War are substantiated historical events. The fictional story woven around those historical events is not.

And those unique story events were never presented to be history either.

[Doug Shaver]

By such common statements as, "Historical Fiction . . . . Gone with the Wind was popular with American readers from the outset and was the top American fiction bestseller in 1936 and 1937."

That looks like something you copied from Wikipedia. Are you suggesting that whatever Wikipedia says must be true?

I would bet big money that you disagree with quite a bit of stuff Wikipedia says.

But when Wikipedia agrees with you, then we should believe it, right? But that's only because it agrees with you. So we're back to what your real argument boils down to: We should believe whatever you say because you say so.

[Doug Shaver]

And those unique story events were never presented to be history either.

A unique event is any event that happens only one time. Are you suggesting that whatever happens only once can't be presented as true history?

[37818]

A unique event is any event that happens only one time. Are you suggesting that whatever happens only once can't be presented as true history?

It is not logical to suppose one way or the other regarding a unique story whether it is true or not merely do to the story's uniqueness.

[Doug Shaver]

It is not logical to suppose one way or the other regarding a unique story whether it is true or not merely do to the story's uniqueness.

Then why, when we were discussing whether to believe the stories, did you point out that the events were unique?

[Tassman]

And those unique story events were never presented to be history either.

The burning of Atlanta and the Civil War may be "unique", but they are substantiated historical events, supported by many strands of evidence. The story of Scarlett O'Hara is a fictional story using these events as background. The same might be said, to a greater or lesser degree, of the Jesus story which is set in the historical Galilee and Jerusalem. .

[37818]

Then why, when we were discussing whether to believe the stories, did you point out that the events were unique?

It has to do with identifying the actual date of the death, burial and resurrection reported in common in the 4 gospel accounts. Reference April 6th 30AD for the crucifixion.

[37818]

The burning of Atlanta and the Civil War may be "unique", but they are substantiated historical events, supported by many strands of evidence. The story of Scarlett O'Hara is a fictional story using these events as background. The same might be said, to a greater or lesser degree, of the Jesus story which is set in the historical Galilee and Jerusalem. .

Again the story is known to be written as fiction. Where as the gospel narratives where written to be believed.

[Doug Shaver]

Again the story is known to be written as fiction.

How is that known? What evidence are you relying on?

[37818]

How is that known? What evidence are you relying on?

How many sources do you need? It is a novel.
https://www.biblio.com/gone-with-the...ret/work/14590